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A crescendo of deliberate continuity errors
g33k:
--- Quote from: Dina on January 08, 2025, 02:45:50 AM ---Mm, maybe Marcone is even called Arthur. We do not know his real name.
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That whole "secret identity / hidden ancestry" bit is certainly part of some versions of the Arthur legendarium... I like it!
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: g33k on January 08, 2025, 12:12:47 AM ---Au contraire: Harry getting Winterknight'ed is an incredibly good thing.
Harry's a Starborn, with notable anti-Outsider abilities.
Winter is the primary force opposing Outsiders, protecting Creation at the Outer Gates; and the Knight is "Winter's Champion."
A Starborn Winter Knight? Huge, huge power-up for Harry Dresden in protecting Creation; huge, huge power-up for Mab's WK (compared to Slate). win-win all 'round
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No, it isn't. It might make Harry more badass, but 'more badass' is independent of 'good'. Taking up a Coin would make Harry more badass, too, but it wouldn't be a Good Thing.
For Harry, being enslaved by Mab is by definition bad. The fate of Lloyd Slate alone is proof enough of that.
Lord Kinbote:
Bad for Harry, probably. Bad for the Dresden reality, and everything and everybody that Harry loves? Almost assuredly not - unless you think the Outsiders prevail notwithstanding power-upped Harry's best efforts, and the series ends with Empty Night.
I think the bigger Qs are whether Harry is the Jon Snow of this series and he's not the hero who prevails over the Outsiders, and whether Harry survives at the end.
Mira:
--- Quote ---No, it isn't. It might make Harry more badass, but 'more badass' is independent of 'good'. Taking up a Coin would make Harry more badass, too, but it wouldn't be a Good Thing.
For Harry, being enslaved by Mab is by definition bad. The fate of Lloyd Slate alone is proof enough of that.
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The thing is I don't think Mab wants an enslaved Knight. She wants her Knight to be loyal, Slate wasn't, that is why he met the fate he met. She also wants a Knight who will follow orders, but at the same time use his own head. While Harry may piss her off when he follows orders his way and not hers, she also trusts his judgement. That's why I think the Knight is a mortal human and not one of the Fae. In a way, her Knight is another check on her absolute power and she knows it. Mab has to have a Knight who will stand up to her when needed, not a slave who follows every order to the letter. That's why though pissed, she is pleased and says so when Harry defies her.
g33k:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on January 20, 2025, 03:15:39 AM --- ...
For Harry, being enslaved by Mab is by definition bad. The fate of Lloyd Slate alone is proof enough of that.
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Harry thinks so.
But he's not actually "enslaved." He's caught in a bargain he cannot currently escape from; but it's a bargain he substantively got to shape, to set some baselines. He's continuously pushing back against Mab, standing up for what he thinks is right.
And we have the word of both Mother Summer and Uriel, that Harry can keep being Harry, can keep on pushing back, keep on being himself.
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