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Politics and magic
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on November 11, 2024, 04:43:27 AM ---You can bet on it. Only you can bet that it's way, way more complicated than just a simple quid pro quo to become a national leader.
But in the Dresdenverse, there are quite a few people who do know the truth, or part of it. It's not a majority that believe, but certainly a large minority are perfectly well aware of at least the real existence of the supernatural.
The thing is that the supernatural powers are already deeply entangled into the mortal world power structures. The White Council may be the most entangled one, but it's also the most human one. The White Court are certainly deeply plugged into it, Lara has demonstrated the ability to manipulate the Federal Government at a high level.
And of course, the Feds have at least one of their own counter-version in the Librarians, who are apparently feared in the supernatural world. Probably other major nation-states have their own versions of that.
I don't think a deal to become President, or Prime Minister, or whatever, in a major state, is likely. Not at the simple, straightforward a level. It would be more like trading favors, the White Court (for ex) pulls strings to help get John Doe elected to a spot, and in return he does favors for the Court. In that respect, it would be no different than the Mafia or the Yakuza or Archer Daniels Midland or the Teamsters Union or whoever. And of course in the DV all these groups are also interacting with each other as well. You'd probably be just as likely to see a deal with a supernatural power to get John Doe a board seat at GM or Apple or Disney as you would a legislative seat.
And we've seen how Marcone interacts with the supernatural while running his criminal empire in Chicago.
One of Harry's worries, in fact, is that if the general public ever realized just how compromised every institution and group is by the supernatural, society would break down. That was part of how Mavra was able to blackmail him back in the day.
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I think a deal can be done or has been done before just not in the way the politicians thought it was. In my mind, i can see Lara, Mab or what ever entity proming a young politician money and support in exchange for a few favours. Dude agrees thinking its a normal thing, usual political deal and what not, only for the entity to came back and collect only then for the guy to realise f..... it wasn't a human but who you gonna tell
Ps the White court or rather house wraith most likely has the most political connection. I mean political and non political sex scandals are an everyday occurrence.
On that note politicians have side pieces is not rare its the norm. On of the wraith sisters encounters a promising politician gets him /her addicted and boom
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think a deal can be done or has been done before just not in the way the politicians thought it was. In my mind, i can see Lara, Mab or what ever entity proming a young politician money and support in exchange for a few favours. Dude agrees thinking its a normal thing, usual political deal and what not, only for the entity to came back and collect only then for the guy to realise f..... it wasn't a human but who you gonna tell
Ps the White court or rather house wraith most likely has the most political connection. I mean political and non political sex scandals are an everyday occurrence.
On that note politicians have side pieces is not rare its the norm. On of the wraith sisters encounters a promising politician gets him /her addicted and boom
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Well Marcone has been buying off the politicians for years because he is a mob boss.. Since he is now a Denarian on top of everything else it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
g33k:
It's worth noting, I think, that King Arthur seems to have made a deal with Merlin; I think that's the "biggest" political-power deal we have in the DF canon.
Given that Merlin's power seems to be orders of magnitude greater than anything we see from the White Council, I suspect OG Merlin was something much more than a mortal wizard.
As to the OP query:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on November 05, 2024, 05:49:26 PM --- ...
What being in the Dresden files who make the best campaign manager. Im going with Odin.
What would such a deal entail
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I don't think a "deal" is the best approach to take with Odin. You aren't likely to out-bargain that one! If you're striking a bargain for something you can't get any other way, you'll pay Odin's price and it will be commensurate with what you got...
Instead: recognize that (no matter what "deal" you've made) you'll end up serving Odin's interests; he'll see to it. Accept it... embrace it... and ask instead to join "team Vadderung" as a political agent, with the understanding that the more he helps you ascend the halls of power, the more useful you will be to him.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on November 19, 2024, 06:51:47 AM ---I think a deal can be done or has been done before just not in the way the politicians thought it was. In my mind, i can see Lara, Mab or what ever entity proming a young politician money and support in exchange for a few favours. Dude agrees thinking its a normal thing, usual political deal and what not, only for the entity to came back and collect only then for the guy to realise f..... it wasn't a human but who you gonna tell
Ps the White court or rather house wraith most likely has the most political connection. I mean political and non political sex scandals are an everyday occurrence.
On that note politicians have side pieces is not rare its the norm. On of the wraith sisters encounters a promising politician gets him /her addicted and boom
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We don't even have to speculate about that, Harry muses on Lara's ability to pul Federal strings at the end of Changes. It would be very interesting to have a list of politicians and appointed officials who have slept with Lara or one of her sisters.
Note too that the manipulation, or the deal, doesn't have to be with the politician himself. As real-world lobbyists know, at lot of the time it's just as useful to get a hold on the politician's chief of staff or assistant or a family member or whatever. Sometimes it's safer and less likely to be noticed, too. A Senator's or General's brother could be an occasional bedmate/slave of one of Lara's sisters, and she could influence the target through the brother, for ex.
Of course we should also keep in mind that this goes both ways, too. We don't know exactly what the Librarians can and can't do, but apparently they are feared. I wouldn't be surprised if promising 'arrangements' sometimes get cut off by Librarian interference.
g33k:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on November 25, 2024, 04:19:14 AM --- ... It would be very interesting to have a list of politicians and appointed officials who have slept with Lara or one of her sisters ...
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And other methods of mind-control. Fine thralls, whether blampire-origin, wizardly, or other.
I'm sure Jim has a few such politicians/etc in mind; but also, I think he's intentionally not defining a complete list, so that he can put people into is-controlled / isn't-controlled roles (as needed / per story) ... He certainly doesn't have the series plotted so thoroughly that he knows every mundanely-powerful muggle he'll want to have, whether tangential or central to the story... after all: Waldo Butters was introduced as a very-minor character, a forever-nerd.
I hope we'll get a "Librarian" focus book, where we get to see some of these secret political shenanigans.
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