The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Elaine is the wizard the White Council should really be afraid of.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on November 05, 2024, 05:21:47 AM ---Yeah, but even if he didn't understand what he was seeing, I suspect the presence of Nemesis would look bad. Harry might not understand what kind of bad, or what it meant, but I suspect it would still just look wrong.
But even if he didn't recognize what he was seeing, we need to keep in mind that you never forget what you see in a soulgaze. It's there forever, engrained on your memory. So if he learned the signs of nemfection later, he would still remember seeing them in Elaine at that time, if she was infected then.
Elaine might have been nemfected after they soulgazed, but it's hard to see it happening before.
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However we don't know at what point they soul gazed, did they even know what they were doing at the time? He hasn't soul gazed her since, so who knows what he would see now. Another thought, Eb did soul gaze Harry after or just before he took him in under the Doom, if the presence was there or the taint, he should have seen it.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 05, 2024, 12:32:05 PM ---However we don't know at what point they soul gazed, did they even know what they were doing at the time? He hasn't soul gazed her since, so who knows what he would see now. Another thought, Eb did soul gaze Harry after or just before he took him in under the Doom, if the presence was there or the taint, he should have seen it.
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I think we can be sure Eb saw the taint. The 3 eye junkie saw it. I have always suspected that part of the reason tge WC hates/fears harry is because of it. I agree with the guys who think its why people panic after soulgazing harry. One way to think of the taint is that it is a brand ( the type placed on cattle). Brands indetify cattle has belonging to someone. In some cases if owners of the cattle are scary enough no one will steal their cattle cause just because you know who they belong to and what they will do to you. Everyone sees it and knows that an outsider marked him. Could be for purely nice reasons but probably not. In Harry's case people scary themselves to death just thinking what it means. Is he an outsiders pet, food, friend or lover noone knows
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think we can be sure Eb saw the taint
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If he did, he never mentioned it.. So we can't be sure.
--- Quote ---I have always suspected that part of the reason tge WC hates/fears harry is because of it. I agree with the guys who think its why people panic after soulgazing harry.
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Since the ones who panic have been vanilla humans, it is safe to bet they never saw magical power in the raw before, and it would scare the hell out of them. However soul gazes with Marcone and a couple of other people have not produced panic, in the case of Marcone, I think he scared Harry more than the other way around. As for the others, they were reassured, even comforted by what they saw.
--- Quote ---In some cases if owners of the cattle are scary enough no one will steal their cattle cause just because you know who they belong to and what they will do to you. Everyone sees it and knows that an outsider marked him. Could be for purely nice reasons but probably not. In Harry's case people scary themselves to death just thinking what it means. Is he an outsiders pet, food, friend or lover noone knows
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I doubt that Harry is marked like an animal or is owned by the Outsiders.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 05, 2024, 06:06:31 PM ---If he did, he never mentioned it.. So we can't be sure.
Since the ones who panic have been vanilla humans, it is safe to bet they never saw magical power in the raw before, and it would scare the hell out of them. However soul gazes with Marcone and a couple of other people have not produced panic, in the case of Marcone, I think he scared Harry more than the other way around. As for the others, they were reassured, even comforted by what they saw.
I doubt that Harry is marked like an animal or is owned by the Outsiders.
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Im not saying he is owned by the outsiders only that he is tainted and no one has a way of telling what the taint or mark means. From the perspective of joe wizard dude has taint that marks him if he is seen under the Sight.
My WAG IS that any wizard that a) soulgazes him or b) Sees him sees the taint. And has no way of knowing what that means exactly.
Ps my guess is that the taint is part of the reasons no one seems to fully trust him.
He could be a spy and have no way of knowing
KurtinStGeorge:
Unless Harry looked into a mirror while using his Sight, there is no way he should know what the sign of HWWB looks like or that he even carries it. I picture Harry learning about it in one of two, maybe three ways, the last one being the most likely one.
1. Lea might have mentioned it as part of her pitch to 16 year-old Harry to get him to make a deal with her. She could have said something like this: "I see the mark of HWWB; the demon that was called up by Justin DuMorne, is upon you. That you survived meeting this creature is impressive..." My guess is Lea would see that mark every time she saw Harry. She doesn't need to call up a special power like wizards do.
2. Justin DuMorne might have mentioned it to Harry before their final fight. It could have sounded something like this: "I see you have met HWWB. His mark is upon you." The problem with this scenario is Justin would have to have been using his Sight when he was looking at Harry, and I can't think why he would want to do that.
3. Warden Morgan used to use his Sight on Harry after Harry was captured by the Wardens or just by Morgan. While Harry was bound he overheard Morgan describe the mark and name HWWB. Did anyone else on the Council use their wizard sight to look on Harrry.? Hard to say, but I don't see why anyone else would do that, except perhaps Ebenezar.
This scenario fits in nicely with Morgan using his Site to check for possible spies hiding under a veil at Mac's in Dead Beat, but avoiding looking at Harry while do so. Morgan wouldn't want to see that mark again if he could simply ignore looking at it.
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