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Warden of Demonreach: Dragoncon lore-dump or retcon??!?
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on October 02, 2024, 02:22:38 PM ---Which circles back to the lack of security.
The island didn't have an active Warden for decades. At any time, those two sights could have been occupied or at monitored to keep the bad guys from setting up shop on them. " An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure" applies here.
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Doing so may have revealed the island's secret. Also I doubt that the White Council has any control over the island. The island picks and chooses who it want's to be it's keeper or Warden, not the White Council.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 02, 2024, 05:54:59 PM ---Doing so may have revealed the island's secret. Also I doubt that the White Council has any control over the island. The island picks and chooses who it want's to be it's keeper or Warden, not the White Council.
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--- Quote from: vincentric on October 01, 2024, 09:27:12 PM ---But this wouldn't require going to the island, I'm talking about being on the shores of Lake Michigan. We know that the enemy is doing this because there were two ritual sites being used inCold Days to launch attacks against Demonreach that were stopped by forces from Lara and Marcone. Those would seem like good places for a group of monitoring Wardens to set up shop.
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My own theories about the island is that its a known secret. All the major players know about it and for the sake of peace agree ( informally of course) to leaveit alone.
The Nicky and nickelhead are exceptions. They don't care about the rules both formal and informal.
Plus is it possible that the fallen can shield their host from the effects of the island
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on October 02, 2024, 07:04:23 PM ---My own theories about the island is that its a known secret. All the major players know about it and for the sake of peace agree ( informally of course) to leaveit alone.
The Nicky and nickelhead are exceptions. They don't care about the rules both formal and informal.
Plus is it possible that the fallen can shield their host from the effects of the island
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But that means taking no precautions against the biggest rulebreakers of all, the Outsiders and their agents. They might be the only ones that will attack the island but they also represent the biggest threat.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on October 02, 2024, 10:12:31 PM ---But that means taking no precautions against the biggest rulebreakers of all, the Outsiders and their agents. They might be the only ones that will attack the island but they also represent the biggest threat.
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That is why it is so important that the island have a Warden. However like with so many things the White Council has their collective heads up their arses. My own thinking is they fear the possible rise of another Kemmler more than the possible assault on the island by Outsiders, so they are content what defenses the island can mount on it's own, is enough. This fits a pattern with them, any young kid with talent goes astray, instead of putting him or her under the Doom, give all of them the chop. They fear abuse of mental magic, so only allow the teaching of a minimal and largely ineffective mental defense technique against mental attack.
Tinfoil hat:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 03, 2024, 04:51:09 AM ---That is why it is so important that the island have a Warden. However like with so many things the White Council has their collective heads up their arses. My own thinking is they fear the possible rise of another Kemmler more than the possible assault on the island by Outsiders, so they are content what defenses the island can mount on it's own, is enough. This fits a pattern with them, any young kid with talent goes astray, instead of putting him or her under the Doom, give all of them the chop. They fear abuse of mental magic, so only allow the teaching of a minimal and largely ineffective mental defense technique against mental attack.
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Ok a couple of things
1) the attack in CD was an anomaly. The Island was attacked by Fae , The ladies and their retinues. That not an everyday thing. The defenses were at their weakest and they held. Its mentioned that the Fae are close to nature sothe Island was weak against them.
2) Mab mentions that the Alfred could have chosen to stop them rather than just standing there.
3 (yeah i know couple means 2 but i can neither confirm or deny that i am not a fae as noone has asked)
Santa Claus was on the case, Lea was on the case , Mab was on the case ,hell the Goblin king was on it.
Point being it was an attack that played on the Island's weaknesses. And the major powers were ready to step in.
One last thing is the Island part of the WC sphere of responsibility or not. Cause if it is the WC has a right to choose the Warden or the right to at least nominate a suitable candidate. But if its not the WC JUST has to seat back and may observe the situation from afar which is exactly what they have done
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