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Who wanted the Fomor to rise?

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g33k:

--- Quote from: seanham on September 06, 2024, 01:28:12 AM --- ... the Fomor ... created the chemical weapon that took out 1/3rd of the Wardens in Cairo ...
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???
I don't recall this event; pointer/linkie/cite, please, so I can go re-read?


I largely agree with most of thi; except:

--- Quote from: seanham on September 06, 2024, 01:28:12 AM --- ... While the RC was old the Fomor is ancient they know how to play the game as well as the pros (Mab, One Eye, Mr. Sunshine) ...
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Mr. Sunshine is in a league of his own.  The reason that he doesn't just "run the board" (& win) is that he is working to give humanity the freedom & scope to exert their own free will; not to exert his.

peterwiggin94:
My suspicion is that the Chitchen Itza event was actually required to start bringing over the Outsiders to help the Formor. A fairly consistent part of the magic system is that the mood or atmosphere of the world matters. Dead Beat had Cowl messing with Chicago to "prime the pump" and Battle Ground showed that the fear of Chicago affected the spells cast during the battle. Since the big spell at the end of Changes affected so many people who weren't the Red Court, I suspect that certain spells would have been easier in the wake of the bloodline curse. I bet that it would have helped summoning an Outsider that is described as a peer to Mab. After being summoned, the Walker then helps the Formor assemble their forces and/or knock down some one like the king of the Tuatha as payment. It then starts assembling it's forces to assault Demonreach.

As for what the Outsiders get out it, beyond a Walker that gets summoned, is more chaos. Mab, Odin, and Uriel are chief forces in alliance for the current order among the natural world. Mab and Odin also established the Accords. Eliminating the Accords could pull away some of Winter's forces from the Wall and a massive global war would kill a lot of the people who could stand up to the Outsiders after they breached the Wall.

seanham:

--- Quote from: g33k on September 06, 2024, 03:11:38 AM ---???
I don't recall this event; pointer/linkie/cite, please, so I can go re-read?

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The quote comes from Bombshells:

--- Quote ---“The one I made for the Red Court in the Congo was deadly enough,” Lord Froggy said, a smug tone in his voice.

My heart pounded even harder. During its war with the White Council, the Red Court had used some kind of nerve gas on a hospital tending wounded wizards. The weapon had killed tens of thousands of people in a city far smaller and less crowded than Chicago.”

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My apologies for referencing the wrong city in my OP (didn't have the books close at the moment) but my point stands that there was a link between the Fomor and the RC.

Avernite:
I would caution against seeing too much in the Fomor's abilities...

If only because we saw just how ridiculously outmatched their army was against the Sidhe. It makes the whole 'Fomor buildup' look like the Fomor sent their strength out skirmishing, while everyone else kept to their own skirmishing back. When one side brings the army, the other brings skirmishers, the army looks quite impressive.

And sure that's a sound strategy, kind of an inverse Trachenberg plan - if your ace can win any battle almost alone, why not fritter away your strength on skirmishes while your opponents must remain careful to husband reserves for a big battle.

So to me it's plausible that, in some sense, the Fomor HAD been building up, for something. They then went into overdrive when Changes happened, before they were ready; their skirmishers were strong, but having to put too much in reserves behind it. Then they gathered on Chicago, aiming to bring Ethniu out as an ace in the hole / the only way to win a battle, but with the army too weak to back her up, the defenders managed to keep (just) enough strength out of the battle to pitch it against Ethniu herself.

g33k:

--- Quote from: seanham on September 06, 2024, 04:33:17 PM ---The quote comes from Bombshells:
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TYVM!


--- Quote from: seanham on September 06, 2024, 04:33:17 PM --- ...
My apologies for referencing the wrong city in my OP.
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"C---o" is pretty similar!  !n understandable mistake, no harm no foul.

FWIW, tho:
Cairo is a major metropolis; at over 10M people, it's larger than any city in the USA, and in the EU only Paris (I think) is larger (I suspect it depends on whether you're counting by strict city-limits population, or including suburbs); the whole "city smaller and far less crowded than Chicago" bit absolutely rules out Cairo!!!
Whereas "the Congo" is a region, generally pretty jungle-ish, with 2 named nations (Democratic Republic of the Congo, and the Republic of Congo (mostly sharing the Congo river as their mutual border, in central & western Africa).

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