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Where do you go out on a date with the Queen of the sex vampires?
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Avernite on August 28, 2024, 09:05:52 PM ---Eh...
the Demon being what it is, I have my doubts Lara could be redeemed without booting the Hunger. In which case she might live a good few years, but she'd need some supernatural boost to be 300+.
Something like becoming the next Winter Queen after Mab? The Knight is to some extent consort of the Queens of Faerie, too, which a wedding would fit quite adequately.
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I have my own doubts about Lara being redeemed. It would take either a change in the nature of her personal Demon, say to feeding off Love rather than Lust and thus weakening the urge to kill. Or Harry could get a further power-up to say the level of a Forest Person where a feeding wouldn't be fatal. I'm just speculating though. Most likely Jim will keep Lara and Harry to a once twice per book interaction even if the wedding goes through and is consummated.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Avernite on August 28, 2024, 09:05:52 PM --- ... Something like becoming the next Winter Queen after Mab? The Knight is to some extent consort of the Queens of Faerie, too, which a wedding would fit quite adequately.
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This is a very-interesting notion.
I don't think Jim's going to write it this way; but it's very interesting!
The pieces hang together well-enough for me to now think it's likely that "replace Lara's Hunger-Demon with a Wintermantle" may very-well be part of Mab's planning (if only 2nd or 3rd tier contingency).
I've intentionally not specified the Queen-Mantle... Lara of course hardly qualifies as "virginal" but maybe the magic can admit of a "from now on" definition. It'd be incredibly-ironic for "Queen of the Sex Vampires" to become mythically-virginal! :o And we know (from the disastrous Carlos/Molly event) that Jim's very willing to torment other characters than Harry, with this sort of thing. And it'd give Molly an "out" from the Ladymantle, if Harry could find a way to initiate the transfer without killing the current owner...
Or, just do the "normal" Queen dies + Lady-becomes-Queen + Ladymantle-needs-host sequence, with the Winterknight's fiance close to hand. Ratchet the Molly/Harry tension another notch, I'm sure Jim would like it for that if nothing else.
Or just some direct Lara-gets-Queenmantle path. That might eliminate the "marriage" elements, though, if there's any incompatibilities between the mythic Winterlaw ideal of "marriage" and the Queen/Knight relationship. I think Jim's more-likely to write the complex one that loops-in Molly, ratchets-up tension, and tweaks Lara's twerk.
So, lots of elements come together very nicely indeed! I like your theory a lot, @Avernite!
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 28, 2024, 12:24:04 PM --- There still is the issue of "true love" to get around. Was what Harry and Murphy had true love? And if is was, is Harry still protected?
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He accidentally burned Lara when they brushed into skin contact while busting Thomas out of the cell. It definitely was true love. (Also, despite a distractingly painful burn, Lara figures out right away it must have been Karrin and seems genuinely approving for them to have found a healthy relationship. First time through, it reads like irony that the monster understands and reacts much more positively than Harry's supposed friends. Second reading ... yeah, I feel a bit dumb for not seeing that for the foreshadowing it was).
Uncertain if that protection survived Karrin's death, but I tend to think it would for as long as he's heavily occupied by mourning.
Avernite:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 29, 2024, 12:01:03 AM ---This is a very-interesting notion.
I don't think Jim's going to write it this way; but it's very interesting!
The pieces hang together well-enough for me to now think it's likely that "replace Lara's Hunger-Demon with a Wintermantle" may very-well be part of Mab's planning (if only 2nd or 3rd tier contingency).
I've intentionally not specified the Queen-Mantle... Lara of course hardly qualifies as "virginal" but maybe the magic can admit of a "from now on" definition. It'd be incredibly-ironic for "Queen of the Sex Vampires" to become mythically-virginal! :o And we know (from the disastrous Carlos/Molly event) that Jim's very willing to torment other characters than Harry, with this sort of thing. And it'd give Molly an "out" from the Ladymantle, if Harry could find a way to initiate the transfer without killing the current owner...
Or, just do the "normal" Queen dies + Lady-becomes-Queen + Ladymantle-needs-host sequence, with the Winterknight's fiance close to hand. Ratchet the Molly/Harry tension another notch, I'm sure Jim would like it for that if nothing else.
Or just some direct Lara-gets-Queenmantle path. That might eliminate the "marriage" elements, though, if there's any incompatibilities between the mythic Winterlaw ideal of "marriage" and the Queen/Knight relationship. I think Jim's more-likely to write the complex one that loops-in Molly, ratchets-up tension, and tweaks Lara's twerk.
So, lots of elements come together very nicely indeed! I like your theory a lot, @Avernite!
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Thank you :)
For further 'support', I find Lara and Mab mostly have fairly similar outlooks. Low sentimentality except some 'defend our own', ruthless to the core, winner in a court of violent backstabbers... And both surprisingly good at understanding Harry Dresden (even if it feels for Mab it's partly 'characterization marches on' - she seemed much more alien in the early books).
Dina:
--- Quote from: Avernite on August 29, 2024, 10:20:04 AM ---Thank you :)
For further 'support', I find Lara and Mab mostly have fairly similar outlooks. Low sentimentality except some 'defend our own', ruthless to the core, winner in a court of violent backstabbers... And both surprisingly good at understanding Harry Dresden (even if it feels for Mab it's partly 'characterization marches on' - she seemed much more alien in the early books).
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Agree about Mab's characterization. She was also much more cruel in Summer Knight. I think Jim decided to change his alignment from legal evil to legal neutral.
About Lara, I see her more as a Knight material than a Queen. She will be formidable at that.
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