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Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Lord Kinbote on June 06, 2024, 12:49:33 AM ---Lea is interesting.  Lea is the most powerful member of the Winter Court after Mab.  So more powerful than the Winter Lady, but not in the line of succession.  Also, for every other high member of the Winter Court, there appears to be a counterpart in Summer.  Except Lea, as far as revealed.  Why no Summer counterpart?  Is Lea truly something different/special hiding in plain sight?

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There isn't an exact 1:1 in every role. For one thing, there's the position of Eldest of all the Fae species other than Sidhe for which the particular species follows one court or the other rather than being split.  Eldest Gruff is probably the closest parallel to Lea that we've seen on page in Summer, being a powerful magic user and confidante of the Queen, but that's far from an exact parallel. 

But a lot of Lea's personal power isn't from handmaiden of the queen being a mantle of Winter. It's power she's accumulated over the centuries by making deals with mortals like Maggie Sr that were skewed in her favour, slowly making her stronger and stronger. That significantly takes away from the obligation for Summer to have an exact balancing parallel.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 06, 2024, 02:18:13 PM --- ... That significantly takes away from the obligation for Summer to have an exact balancing parallel.

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Does it, though?
I think "balance" is one of the critical elements upheld by both Courts.

Agreed that (a) Eldest Gruff seems to be the best candidate we have for "Summer counterpart to the Leanansidhe;" but also (b) we don't really know.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: g33k on June 06, 2024, 02:30:58 PM ---Does it, though?
I think "balance" is one of the critical elements upheld by both Courts.

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It's strict for the mantles.  Less so elsewhere.  Like I said in the earlier point, how do you exactly balance Eldest Malk or Eldest Fetch compared to the Eldest of some of the Summer-affiliated Fae subspecies?  They have inherently different powers and roles in their nations.

I think the reason a little more flexibility is allowed other than in the mantled roles is that Winter just allocates its overall surplus to the Gates.  Even if there isn't a 1:1 counterpart for every single role, they can maintain an aggregate balance with Summer by shuffling forces between Gate duty and the home guard.  Letting Lea be strong enough to cover for her in shifts at the Gates is a big part of why Mab allows her to be as strong as she is.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on June 06, 2024, 05:49:57 PM ---It's strict for the mantles.  Less so elsewhere.  Like I said in the earlier point, how do you exactly balance Eldest Malk or Eldest Fetch compared to the Eldest of some of the Summer-affiliated Fae subspecies?  They have inherently different powers and roles in their nations.

I think the reason a little more flexibility is allowed other than in the mantled roles is that Winter just allocates its overall surplus to the Gates.  Even if there isn't a 1:1 counterpart for every single role, they can maintain an aggregate balance with Summer by shuffling forces between Gate duty and the home guard.  Letting Lea be strong enough to cover for her in shifts at the Gates is a big part of why Mab allows her to be as strong as she is.

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So far the only "mantles" we know of in the Courts are the Queens, Ladies, Knights, and possibly the Mothers.  All of whom, as far as we know began life as mortals.  I assume the Mothers did as well, since they originally were Queens.  I think in terms of "power" the mantles are equal, i.e Mab verses Titania in theory, but depending on the temperament of the holder is used differently and appear to be unbalanced at times, but they do in the end balance each other out.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on June 12, 2024, 01:39:02 PM ---So far the only "mantles" we know of in the Courts are the Queens, Ladies, Knights, and possibly the Mothers.  All of whom, as far as we know began life as mortals ...
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Not so:  the "Eldest" is a mantle for each sort -- Eldest Gruff, Eldest Fetch, etc.
Kringle is a winterfae mantle.

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