The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Does Thomas get a free pass?
Mira:
--- Quote ---At one point in PT (I think, though maybe it was BG?) it was announced that Winter wouldn't be able to bring most of their forces to hit Ethniu & the Fomor armies, as they were needed to defend a major assault on the Outer Gates. Harry remarked that it was interesting to notice which parties reacted with awareness of exactly what that coordination implied, and which seemed oblivious.
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The thought occurred to me reading your post that none of this appears to be spontaneous, and has the smell and look of an inside job, years in the making. What I am wondering is whether or not Maeve did a lot more damage than even Mab thought while she was possessed by Nemesis? What took place in Cold Days was plan [A], but is it possible that Maeve was enough like her mother that she'd also have a plan in place? Plan being what took place in Peace Talks and Battle Ground, plans that were already set into motion whether or not Maeve survived plan [A].
vincentric:
There was a plan in both books, but it was all a Nemesis plot. Maeve was just a willing tool until she was takenoff the board in Cold Days, then Nemesis shifted to Justine.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 21, 2024, 08:29:12 PM ---The thought occurred to me reading your post that none of this appears to be spontaneous, and has the smell and look of an inside job, years in the making. What I am wondering is whether or not Maeve did a lot more damage than even Mab thought while she was possessed by Nemesis? What took place in Cold Days was plan [A], but is it possible that Maeve was enough like her mother that she'd also have a plan in place? Plan being what took place in Peace Talks and Battle Ground, plans that were already set into motion whether or not Maeve survived plan [A].
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The Fomor were... well, to be frank they were stunningly fast to make their power-play at the fall of the Red Court. The big old powers just don't like to move that fast, but (as per the Murphy-POV story Aftermath) the Fomor appear to have begun their "kidnap the Talented Mortals" plan about the same time that the Red Court took little Maggie. I conclude that they expected either the Red Court or the White Council to fall, and to then take advantage of whichever power-vacuum occurred.
I presume it was Ethniu's plan all along to have the Fomor be this "troublesome young punk" among the power-players, and arrange for "Peace Talks," and bring the Titanic WMD to a diplomat-fight.
That must have been in the planning stages for years.
I don't think we have any sign Maeve was involved in that side of things. It has seemed to me that the different instances of Nemesis usually keep their separate initiatives wholly-separate. Apocalypse, after all, is more a state of mind...
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't think we have any sign Maeve was involved in that side of things. It has seemed to me that the different instances of Nemesis usually keep their separate initiatives wholly-separate. Apocalypse, after all, is more a state of mind...
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Except we don't have a clear picture of what Maeve was really up to. As far as the Former goes, they weren't really a surprise, and remember early on in the books Harry talks of "cat's paws" and powers behind powers. Yes, the Former were one of them, but it is a bit surprising how easily they were defeated considering..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 22, 2024, 03:24:34 PM ---Except we don't have a clear picture of what Maeve was really up to ...
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No, we don't.
It looked like she just wanted to Beat the Queen (defeat -- and impress -- her Mommy Dearest). There could easily have been more to it than that; it even seems likely. But we don't know.
There's also the issue of Nemfection -- what was Nemesis up to? Was Maeve even aware of it? Maybe all the disruption Maeve caused was the bulk of Nemesis' plan (never really expecting the "jailbreak" to succeed). Maybe the jailbreak was the main plan, and the murderous Mantle-swap just a last-ditch scramble to salvage something, and an "F-U" aimed personally at Mab.
We just don't know.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 22, 2024, 03:24:34 PM --- ... As far as the Former goes, they weren't really a surprise...
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The Fomor were well-known.
I think Ethniu -- and the Eye -- were surprises (at least to most there).
--- Quote from: Mira on February 22, 2024, 03:24:34 PM --- ... but it is a bit surprising how easily they were defeated considering.
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Remember: Harry hauled out TWO major artifacts. These were items that (to Harry's perceptions) outclassed the Swords of the Cross (which apparently have actual Angels in them); so "how easily they were defeated" is "not at all easily."
There is every sign that -- if Harry hadn't had the Spear to pull out at the last minute -- Ethniu and the Fomor would have won.
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