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Does Thomas get a free pass?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2024, 03:10:21 PM --- I wouldn't sell Alfred short on that ...
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Alfred consistently shows a very stolid presence, and he often doesn't "get" some things Harry says to him. He -- it, really -- has tremendous amount of power, but specifically only grasps things & applies the power to what's in his own domain.
Imprisoning Thomas is clearly within the scope of that.
Finely sorting through the elements of Thomas' soul, disentangling the Hunger Demon (that was inborn, part of him from birth) is a much-more delicate sort of thing, and IIRC we've ever seen Alfred show any such abilities.
--- Quote from: Mira on March 07, 2024, 03:10:21 PM --- ... We will have to see..
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As we always have to, yes. ???
Jim hasn't written it yet (I presume -- maybe Thomas is getting out in Twelve Months, but I'm betting not! But fwiw that book is at 50% complete, per Jim's "upcoming works" page; I'm also betting on Thomas still being "on ice" in Mirror Mirror).
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 08, 2024, 02:10:39 PM --- The problem with that is Red Court vampires were different than White Court vampires, only thing in common was both are a form of vampire...
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I'd phrase that even more strongly: Rampires & Whampires are entirely-different (and unrelated) sorts of beings. Whampire children are born to whampire parents; they are a human with a Whamp hunger-demon inside. Rampires are a parasitic infection, inflicted by other Rampires; the hatching young kills the human.
We call them both "vampires" but that's lumping them together for our own convenience.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Alfred consistently shows a very stolid presence, and he often doesn't "get" some things Harry says to him. He -- it, really -- has tremendous amount of power, but specifically only grasps things & applies the power to what's in his own domain.
Imprisoning Thomas is clearly within the scope of that.
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Alfred may not understand or always get what Harry says to him, but he understands monsters. So it may turn out that if Harry orders him to free Thomas, he will do just that, free Thomas.. However the Hunger Demon will remain in prison because it is a monster, an unintended consequence.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on March 09, 2024, 12:01:24 PM --- Alfred may not understand or always get what Harry says to him, but he understands monsters. So it may turn out that if Harry orders him to free Thomas, he will do just that, free Thomas.. However the Hunger Demon will remain in prison because it is a monster, an unintended consequence.
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I think Demonreach is more Mab-ish, here. It might be able to remove the Hunger Demon... but that would almost-certainly destroy Thomas' mind & psyche (WoJ has explicitly addressed Mab doing so).
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on March 11, 2024, 10:38:15 PM ---I think Demonreach is more Mab-ish, here. It might be able to remove the Hunger Demon... but that would almost-certainly destroy Thomas' mind & psyche (WoJ has explicitly addressed Mab doing so).
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Do you have the WOJ on that? It isn't that I don't doubt you, I just haven't seen it. Though maybe it is because it is early and I've had only one cup of coffee, but this reads like two different cases to me. Alfred doing it may seem Mab-ish, but it doesn't follow that it would have the same effect as if Mab had done it.. I keep returning to the image of the soul gaze in Blood Rites, the slight vanilla human fighting and losing the fight to the Hunger Demon. I think motive is important, Mab is ruthless, and if she were to remove the Hunger Demon it would be for her own reasons with a disregard for what it would do to Thomas. I don't know, after a stretch of confronting his sins on the island, Thomas might need to be separated from the Hunger Demon to remain sane. Being a vampire may no longer be an option for him.. He has made failed attempts to live as a vanilla human in the past, though possibly solely to please Harry. But remember when he lived with him he almost starved to death because he didn't feed the Demon, then tried to appease it by nibbling while being a hair dresser. The Shaggy got a hold of him and did a huge amount of damage to his psyche, then in her efforts to heal him, Lara pushed Thomas back into the being a vampire and being proud of it..
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