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Does Thomas get a free pass?
forumghost:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 24, 2024, 12:21:17 PM ---Really? At the end of the day regardless of his motive, he allegedly committed murder. He hasn't had a trial yet, so his punishment hasn't been set. Currently he is where he is to keep him alive until he can be put on trial. And yes, Thomas has numerous victims, as a vampire he did kill.. Lara would call them kine, and Thomas is no different than any other predator, an argument can be made for that. However they were also people, and his last kill had nothing to do with food to survive.
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I know, but I'm just saying that, even if Thomas somehow makes it out of Demonreach in once peace, he'll have spent over a year minimum being psychically tortured by that point.
Like, that's probably more then sufficient for most people.
Mira:
--- Quote from: forumghost on February 28, 2024, 05:46:27 AM ---I know, but I'm just saying that, even if Thomas somehow makes it out of Demonreach in once peace, he'll have spent over a year minimum being psychically tortured by that point.
Like, that's probably more then sufficient for most people.
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Is it? Sufficient for people maybe, but for politics of the supernatural? It may not be.
g33k:
--- Quote from: OutsideIn on February 15, 2024, 07:09:06 AM --- Just because his babies held hostage in a way... Doesn't give you a free pass to murder...
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No, it doesn't give you a "free pass."
But we have seen that the Sartalves really, really value their children...
If Thomas could somehow prove that he intentionally "missed" Etri (could have killed him but didn't) in an action of an Outsider-war and in protection of his child... then they might be willing to accept weregild. Not exactly happy about it, but they could see how they might be driven to similar extremity by a similar threat to their own child(ren).
Maybe...
(I admit it's a stretch).
Maybe Harry could hire Maximillian Valerious to plead the case...?
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 29, 2024, 08:44:39 PM ---No, it doesn't give you a "free pass."
But we have seen that the Sartalves really, really value their children...
If Thomas could somehow prove that he intentionally "missed" Etri (could have killed him but didn't) in an action of an Outsider-war and in protection of his child... then they might be willing to accept weregild. Not exactly happy about it, but they could see how they might be driven to similar extremity by a similar threat to their own child(ren).
Maybe...
(I admit it's a stretch).
Maybe Harry could hire Maximillian Valerious to plead the case...?
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Actually I could see him doing that and may be the very reason he was introduced in that short story. Thomas did commit murder, regardless of his motives for doing it. However his motives might be considered mitigating enough that a great lawyer such as Maximillian Valerious might be able to arrange a plea deal with the Sartalves where time served on Demonreach and a wereguild might be accepted. However then how much would they demand? I can see the Raiths being made bankrupt by the amount demanded, setting off a power struggle in the White Court.
KurtinStGeorge:
I suspect the only way Thomas is forgiven by the Swartalves is if he does something that evens the score, or balances the scales, in their eyes. That along with an explanation of why Thomas did what he did earlier. I think Thomas has to do something stunning and unexpected like save Mr. Etri; and probably other members of Etri's family, from certain death.
Assuming Etri and company ever need rescuing, it might be easier for Thomas to do so if he gets an upgrade, like getting to wield Amoracchius. Sanya took up Esperacchius in part to redeem himself for the things he did when he carried Magog's coin. So, an example in the Dresdenverse has already been set for Thomas to follow. And it just so happens the Warden of the very place where Thomas is imprisoned has the means to offer Thomas the sword. Finally, it would make Thomas into an ally of another Knight who wields a weapon which could probably drive out and possibly harm or even destroy Nemesis without harming Justine or her unborn child. I don't think Jim would allow Nemesis to be destroyed at this point in the overall story, but driven out of Justine and given a real scare, I could see that being a real possibility.
To me, this idea is such a natural fit that Jim might not want to do it; and I hate to use this phrase because of the negative connotation it can sometimes have, instead Jim might decide to subvert our expectations, or at least my expectation. According to the page that's labeled "Upcoming Works" Jim is only about half way done writing Twelves Months. If Thomas gets the upgrade I suggested, I think it would probably occur near the end of that book. So, we have a while to wait before we find out.
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