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Has Carlos sided with the merlin against Harry
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 05:26:13 PM ---Then they know everything, they just don't talk about it.. However from the times he has been called on the carpet before the Senior Council, they have twelve different opinions about what they know.
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No individual knows everything or even most of the things Harry has done. And they do not share information unless asked and event then only grudgingly. So, they tend to form their opinions on incomplete information without context and therefore leap to summary and erroneous conclusions. That old adages about "assumptions" come into play too often here.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 15, 2024, 05:34:07 PM ---No individual knows everything or even most of the things Harry has done. And they do not share information unless asked and event then only grudgingly. So, they tend to form their opinions on incomplete information without context and therefore leap to summary and erroneous conclusions. That old adages about "assumptions" come into play too often here.
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But it isn't about what Harry has done, it's about who his mother was. If Luccio knew that she gave birth to Lord Raith's son, and it is common knowledge that Harry is Margaret's son, then logic says she isn't the only one who figured out who Harry's brother is.
Thought just entered my exhausted sweaty head, someone on the Council is also infested with Nemesis, set up Justine, to entrap Thomas, knowing that Harry and Lara both would move heaven and earth to free him.. The idea being that in the process and aftermath Harry would either violate or come close enough to be booted from the Council, and then be targeted and killed.. Thus getting Nemesis's future star born foe out of the way.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 09:06:48 PM ---But it isn't about what Harry has done, it's about who his mother was. If Luccio knew that she gave birth to Lord Raith's son, and it is common knowledge that Harry is Margaret's son, then logic says she isn't the only one who figured out who Harry's brother is.
Thought just entered my exhausted sweaty head, someone on the Council is also infested with Nemesis, set up Justine, to entrap Thomas, knowing that Harry and Lara both would move heaven and earth to free him.. The idea being that in the process and aftermath Harry would either violate or come close enough to be booted from the Council, and then be targeted and killed.. Thus getting Nemesis's future star born foe out of the way.
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Luccio reached her conclusions working from the opposite point of the logic chain. She knew that Margaret was Harry's mother, and that Thomas was Lord Raith's son, but she didn't connect them until Harry revealed that they were brothers. Until that point, she had no idea that Maragret had another child, much less that the child was Lord Wraith's.
LordDresden2:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 15, 2024, 09:45:17 AM ---Thank you! I actually was going to post something very similar once I reread the chapter. My question is a bit different in that it was Luccio telling Harry that along with knowing who his mother was, at least she knew that Margaret had lived with Lord Raith and had a kid by him.
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That she had hooked up with LR, yes. But Luccio didn't know that she'd had a child with LR until Harry more or less told her during that conversation. That caught her by surprise, it caused her to refer to Margaret as a 'selfish bitch' when she found out. Even Eb didn't know about that.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LordDresden2 on July 16, 2024, 05:39:58 AM ---That she had hooked up with LR, yes. But Luccio didn't know that she'd had a child with LR until Harry more or less told her during that conversation. That caught her by surprise, it caused her to refer to Margaret as a 'selfish bitch' when she found out. Even Eb didn't know about that.
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I didn't read it that way, the way I read it was Harry, who was caught by surprise that she knew or had figured it out.
Page 208 Turn Coat, Luccio admits she knew Harry's mother and he starts to ask questions about her. Then Luccio says;
--- Quote ---Anastasia gave me a rather worn smile. "But she didn't spend all that time in Faerie, did she?"
I looked up at the rear view mirror, back toward Chateau Raith.
"And Thomas is the son of the White King himself."
I didn't answer.
She exhaled heavily. "You look so different from him. Except perhaps for something in the jaw. The shape of the eyes."
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Then when they get back to the apartment, Harry asks her; same page
--- Quote ---"Are you going to tell anyone?" I asked quietly.
She looked out the window as she considered the question. Then she said, "Not unless it is relevant."
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Granted it could go either way, but when Luccio says that Margaret didn't spend all of her time with the Fae, I think she already knew who Thomas was. And in truth, if anyone on the Council took the time to think about it, they would have figured it out as well. If Eb didn't, I think it was because he chose to keep his head in the sand about having a vampire for a grandson.
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