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Why did Dumorne put the mental whamy on when he did?

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KurtinStGeorge:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 04, 2024, 01:00:10 PM ---It might have been Summer Knight when Mab took on Harry's "contract" with Lea.  The three favors he owed her for the "confidence" she gave him when he was sixteen to take on Justin.  Mab knew that what Lea did was mostly song and dance and that it is no small thing that a sixteen year old apprentice can take on, defeat and kill a fully trained warden of the White Council.

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I think you are reading more significance into my statement "We don't know how Mab's intelligence network works." than is actually there.  All I am saying is we don't know if Mab had her own spies watching various starborn mortals and one of them reported to her about Harry's confrontation with Justin or if Mab had a conversation with Lea and asked her about the starborn mortal Lea was working with or if the Winter Queen has some kind of intellectus that keeps her informed about Lea's plans.  To clarify my original statement, what I am really saying is, it is not important how Mab learned about Harry, only that at some point she became interested in taking the time to watch Harry in action.

Also, I must admit my question about what would impress Mab is a bit of a trick question.  What I really should have said is, I don't think Mab would have taken the time to watch a sixteen year old Harry.  Before his confrontations with HWWB and Justin, Harry hadn't done anything that would have made it worth Mab taking the time to watch him.  Hearing that Harry defeated Justin would have drawn Mab's interest.  I think finding out that a sixteen year old Harry had banished a Walker would have been even more impressive, but Mab couldn't predict what the White Council would do with Harry.  The moment had passed when Mab could see Harry in action and make her own judgement about him.  So, Mab had to wait.  She had to wait to see if Harry would first survive the White Council and then wait for a better time, a time when unfolding events would provide Mab with the opportunity see Harry in action for herself.  I think that time was during Grave Peril.

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Re: Why did Dumorne put the mental whamy on when he did?
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    It might have been Summer Knight when Mab took on Harry's "contract" with Lea.  The three favors he owed her for the "confidence" she gave him when he was sixteen to take on Justin.  Mab knew that what Lea did was mostly song and dance and that it is no small thing that a sixteen year old apprentice can take on, defeat and kill a fully trained warden of the White Council.


I think you are reading more significance into my statement "We don't know how Mab's intelligence network works." than is actually there.  All I am saying is we don't know if Mab had her own spies watching various starborn mortals and one of them reported to her about Harry's confrontation with Justin or if Mab had a conversation with Lea and asked her about the starborn mortal Lea was working with or if the Winter Queen has some kind of intellectus that keeps her informed about Lea's plans.  To simply my original statement, what I am really saying is, it is not important how Mab learned about Harry, only that at some point she became interested in taking the time to watch Harry in action.
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No, I don't think I am, I'm following up on your comment that Mab waits until it's to her advantage to make her move.  I think it is important as to how Mab learned about Harry, I think she knew about him even before his actual conception, star born family planning.  However I believe she washed her hands of everything until the baby developed into a man.  Interesting don't you think that though Lea secured that bargain with sixteen year old Harry, no action was taken for repayment until Mab had need of him, then she took over the contract at the beginning of Summer Knight.  After further observing his work, which included unusually the loyalty of some of the wee Fae Folk, then she began to lean rather heavily on Harry for payment, also mentioning that she wanted him as her Winter Knight.  Note that she was also willing to go without a Knight for a number of years until she got what she wanted.  In other words Mab doesn't pick the apple off the tree until it is ripe and ready for picking..  She also is careful to look for worms in the apple..

The_Sibelis:
🤔 Leah took what actions against him she could actually, this we already know. Constantly hounding him anytime he went to the NN, chasing him in the mortal world whenever possible. Iirc Harry had been avoiding her for years when she's introduced.
An she really couldn't have taken greater action against him, when she's already made a deal to secure his physical and spiritual well-being. Margaret knew Leah's limitations, she made sure to put him just beyond her potential wrath in the future.
Leah tried to play him per a deal, but couldn't forcibly collect without renegading on another. Mab had no such issues.

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