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Justine DuMorne is Kemmler (Theory)
Regenbogen:
--- Quote from: Con on December 17, 2023, 09:15:07 AM ---I think once they reach 50s/60s it's about a decade per century ratio. Ancient Mai's in the equivalent of her late 90s. Ebenezar and LtW are unusually fit mid to late 70s. Rashid 80s. etc
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And I also believe that there are ways to gather life-force via black magic rituals, which surely are used by wizards like Kemmler to extend their life span. So maybe a warlock using black magic can be 700-800 years old, but appear "only" 300 due to stolen life-force.
Cthoniq:
If we're assuming Justin = Kemmler = Cowl, why would JKC need bob to pull off the Darkhallow? Why would he openly act at all until the last 10 minutes before the darkhallow goes off when he would be completely confident in his ability to defeat his own apprentices and steal the prize? Why would he fight his apprentices at all when he could just rock up and demand their cooperation?
If Kemmler = Justin =/= Cowl, why would Elaine = Kumori be working for some random guy?
To be honest the entirety of the book makes way less sense if K = J = C. Cowl being justin works, but kemmler? Nah. Dude would have no need to do 80% of the things Cowl did, even if you assume he was weakened by several deaths, burnings, etc.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Cthoniq on December 17, 2023, 08:35:38 PM ---If we're assuming Justin = Kemmler = Cowl, why would JKC need bob to pull off the Darkhallow? Why would he openly act at all until the last 10 minutes before the darkhallow goes off when he would be completely confident in his ability to defeat his own apprentices and steal the prize? Why would he fight his apprentices at all when he could just rock up and demand their cooperation?
If Kemmler = Justin =/= Cowl, why would Elaine = Kumori be working for some random guy?
To be honest the entirety of the book makes way less sense if K = J = C. Cowl being justin works, but kemmler? Nah. Dude would have no need to do 80% of the things Cowl did, even if you assume he was weakened by several deaths, burnings, etc.
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Maybe the Justin-Body had some magical deficiency, and he couldn't be sure of defeating ALL his apprentices at once, since they all had an extra half-century of plotting & maneuvering for more power (while he was stuck Justin'ing his Starborn pets).
Personally, I'm still very fond of (though not at all convinced by) the WAG that Cowl = Future!Harry. 8)
Con:
--- Quote from: Cthoniq on December 17, 2023, 08:35:38 PM ---If we're assuming Justin = Kemmler = Cowl, why would JKC need bob to pull off the Darkhallow? Why would he openly act at all until the last 10 minutes before the darkhallow goes off when he would be completely confident in his ability to defeat his own apprentices and steal the prize? Why would he fight his apprentices at all when he could just rock up and demand their cooperation?
If Kemmler = Justin =/= Cowl, why would Elaine = Kumori be working for some random guy?
To be honest the entirety of the book makes way less sense if K = J = C. Cowl being justin works, but kemmler? Nah. Dude would have no need to do 80% of the things Cowl did, even if you assume he was weakened by several deaths, burnings, etc.
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I think Kemmler=Justin.
I just think Cowl=Simon Pietrovich.
Cowl expressed disdain at Kemmler called him a Mad Man. Cowl also wanted to test himself against Harry because the Wardens had been afraid of Harry. That suggests he has no personal experience with Harry himself only rumours from the Whie Council specifically the Wardens.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 18, 2023, 04:04:15 AM ---Maybe the Justin-Body had some magical deficiency, and he couldn't be sure of defeating ALL his apprentices at once, since they all had an extra half-century of plotting & maneuvering for more power (while he was stuck Justin'ing his Starborn pets).
Personally, I'm still very fond of (though not at all convinced by) the WAG that Cowl = Future!Harry. 8)
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If Justin was Kemmler and was worried about having a body with enough talent, why didn't he just take Harry's?
If that was a problem, he shouldn't have trained Harry at all beyond his first use of magic. A completely untrained Harry wouldn't have been able to fight him off and once he had Harry's body, he could have kept Elaine in thrall and trained her with Bob as his backup.
The only thing I could see stopping this would be a direct intervention from the Leandsidhe and several wardens before he takes Harry over.
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