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LaraBeck:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 23, 2023, 11:50:33 PM ---ah see, yea. I wouldn't have really considered it to be shapeshifting, but coming from the author.. Jim tends to say things that we don't actually have the full context to but can be very good for guesswork and theorizing at what the context we're missing is. He's gotten better at it over the years actually. Last couple years of his he's been dropping subtle but very telling lines in his replies.
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What I didn't remember but found interesting now that I've listened to the answer again, is that he also mentions Marcone in this, and how they could work together. Like you say, food for theories...
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: LaraBeck on October 23, 2023, 11:59:50 PM ---What I didn't remember but found interesting now that I've listened to the answer again, is that he also mentions Marcone in this, and how they could work together. Like you say, food for theories...
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yea nothing good will come from that one lol. My first thought is of the overarching order of Dresden changing... Wouldn't Marcone make an excellent Adversary?
Off topic slightly, but where was Murphy actually shot?🤔 I forget wound placement..
LaraBeck:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 24, 2023, 02:03:30 AM ---yea nothing good will come from that one lol. My first thought is of the overarching order of Dresden changing... Wouldn't Marcone make an excellent Adversary?
Off topic slightly, but where was Murphy actually shot?🤔 I forget wound placement..
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He would, he definitely would. And Dresden already has a lot of problems with Marcone. What he saw in the soulgaze, really disturbed Harry in some really primal level, I think. He's visceral about his hate for Marcone.
Murphy was shot in the neck. Which is, I dunno if on purpose, or Jim being Jim, or what, but, personally, I can't not think about the fact that Susan basically dies the same way, wound to the neck, bleeding to death, in front of Harry.
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on October 23, 2023, 11:54:48 AM ---Heh, the eye patch thing redoubles an old idea for me that karrin is in fact one of the main archetypical characters(starborn?), the eye patch, of course she'd lose an eye on the path to wisdom!
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I meant to ask you about this before, but then I forgot as I was doing the transcript. I was just hoping you would elaborate on this? What's your idea here? I'm interesting to hear about that.
I always view Battle Ground as being her Changes, you know, the pivotal moment for her transformation, the same Changes was for Harry. Because I think, in some respects, they follow similar paths.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: LaraBeck on October 24, 2023, 02:14:24 AM ---He would, he definitely would. And Dresden already has a lot of problems with Marcone. What he saw in the soulgaze, really disturbed Harry in some really primal level, I think. He's visceral about his hate for Marcone.
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Marcone is really interesting in his dark mirage of Dresden. Because it's not even about choice but circumstance. Harry's defining moment in his youth was taking out someone trying to kill him.. Marcone's is someone else basically dying because someone wanted to kill him. Harry hates him because if he'd been delt that hand he'd have played it the same way and he knows it.
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Murphy was shot in the neck. Which is, I dunno if on purpose, or Jim being Jim, or what, but, personally, I can't not think about the fact that Susan basically dies the same way, wound to the neck, bleeding to death, in front of Harry.
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ouch, yea the parallel would seem right for how Susan died. I was wondering specifically because of Arthurian stuff. Some of the precise details being split between beings
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I meant to ask you about this before, but then I forgot as I was doing the transcript. I was just hoping you would elaborate on this? What's your idea here? I'm interesting to hear about that.
I always view Battle Ground as being her Changes, you know, the pivotal moment for her transformation, the same Changes was for Harry. Because I think, in some respects, they follow similar paths.
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As far as Murphy being a SomeOne important? Probably started in the way back machine when Raidem posted his Murphy is mab theory. I didn't agree, having seen more for Molly fitting the bill already with Maeve changing to match Molly's appearance. But I had to look closer at it of course, it bleeds into various other strands of theory but more or less. Murphy is Nemesis(or perhaps her most recent full incarnation as it were)as much as Harry is Merlin(she's also Guinevere/Arthurian in makeup but that's off topic). Nemesis the Greek Goddess/Nortia the Etruscan version, lachesis the middle fate, ECT.(we can add dozens of others maybe, not the least of which is Gard herself who plays Guinevere's part in Marcones kingdom proper)
And uh okay so I just brain farted something good and forgot what my old string was leading to but anyway lol... Time is described as a river(matches michio kakku physics btw) and certain things or events keep repeating themselves in its flow. I've previously described this as the bedrock of space/time. Bigger more momentous people and events with conservation of History. It's why GK was last "cycles" Dresden. Murphy fits the archetype of these repeating characters. I think her name is even a direct joke on this and Murphy's law and some of the bigger world building blocks. Mainly mortal magic=the spirit of the power of active fate~ side effects manifestations of "luck" inhibited by source, SPIRIT of fate..
The brain fart was, stars and stones, the starborn can gouge out new paths in space/time.
Mira:
Jim is very careful in how he answers, a lot of it is what he thinks fans wants to hear. On Murphy, he says "may" a lot.. Which gives him a lot of wiggle room.
--- Quote ---Murphy was shot in the neck. Which is, I dunno if on purpose, or Jim being Jim, or what, but, personally, I can't not think about the fact that Susan basically dies the same way, wound to the neck, bleeding to death, in front of Harry.
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Well, not really the same, technically Susan "died" the moment she turned into a full Red Court Vampire, that's when Harry cut her throat with a knife. In that moment she was no longer Susan, but the youngest Red Court Vamp, thus enabling Harry to reverse the generational curse that the Red King had put on Eb, and why the Red King wanted to sacrifice little Maggie, her being youngest in Eb's line.
Murphy died basically being Murphy, her actions just before she was murdered were heroic. However she had made enemies on the police force before she left and her killer was law enforcement, reckless, and paranoid all at the same time.. Hard to say if her death was deliberate or accident, depends on how you look at it I suppose.. However except for the part of the anatomy affected the two deaths were nothing alike.
--- Quote ---Jim's answer: "Oh, oh! If I did an alternative universe where she didn't die? You know that if– you know that when– you know that's gonna happen when he (Harry) goes to the alternate universe because she has to be Karrin with an eyepatch. I mean, come on, I don't make the rules here people! (He talked about the Mirror Mirror storyline about min 14:30) But yeah. We may well see her there. And her story is not yet finished. So, well, that's enough, I won't say anymore. But I think you'll appreciate where she goes."
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Why do I get the feeling that Murphy isn't going to be the Murphy that her fans love in Mirror Mirror? Remember in the original Trek episode that Jim is sort of modeling this after, alternate Kirk was a no good villain in the alternate universe, in fact Kirk tells the alternate universe Spock to kill him and become captain.. Now Murphy could be basically the same in both worlds as Spock was, but that seems too easy.. Either way it is going to mean for pain for Harry.. Murphy evil and Harry maybe even having to kill her himself.. Pain.. Her being the same Murphy in both worlds and Harry having to leave her behind... More pain.
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