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The_Sibelis:
I laughed cause it literally seems like a joke position to me. Everything I said is true and is set up in her character specifically so. When other people argue with something that seems obvious to me? It's funny. She doesn't need to "abandon" anyone to do what she does to begin with, that's the straw man of your opinion I'm expected to fight here... I could farther explain she knows her family is secure and takes care of itself physically and spiritually. She's simply not worried about them and they don't process into her decision making in her own life specifically, and that's a proven pattern 🤷‍♂️
...also I don't agree it's fan service, I think it's was as in Stone as much as and in parallel to a specific sword, but that's just me..
We literally go from
--- Quote ---Nice loophole, but... Murphy ain't gonna be willing to leave her own people behind.
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to
--- Quote ---Murphy wouldn't be so selfish as to abandon those people to that darkness and danger
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for me to reply

--- Quote ---She abandons "her people" every time she chooses to risk her life, when she chooses to be a cop in spite of her families desire...

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And then as SOON as I ASSAIL the straw man of murphy needing to abandon her people to do what she does, not my position, your theoretical problem with my position... you try to lambaste me for it here
--- Quote ---No; going out into the world to "fight the good fight" is NOT abandoning her people.  We have to do things contrary to the desires of our loved ones on a daily basis
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from my perspective, you literally just tried to play me for a chance to act uppity about it. The ORIGINAL game everyone wanted to play with me that turned me into such a deep seeded azzhole quite frankly 🤷‍♂️
Your right, Murphy doesn't have to abandon her people, but since your really the only one who thinks from that perspective, you only prove yourself wrong. Murphy is a REBEL from her family, intentionally, purposefully. From the motorcycle an leathers to the Defining career choice, and the recycling of her ex husband she 'failed' with unto her sister.. it's literally built into her character.
I would prefer not to go down paths of logic for people to feel like they one upped me on a non sequitur straw man they erected for me to assail 👀 as the abandonment is NOT my perspective and nor does it have anything to do with it. Just like with the character herself, her family is non sequitur to her decision making unless it's motivation al la SPITE.

Mira:

--- Quote ---OTOH, I think he got more fan-hate for killing Murphy than for anything else he wrote.  So "bringing her back" as fanservice might be a choice he makes, to avoid a "salt in the wounds" effect on his fandom.
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I think that is a bit of a toss up, those really offended can simply quit the series.  Honestly it depends on how he handles Harry once he gets past his grief.  If the writing is good, I think fans can get past it.  I know what you are thinking, I haven't been a Murphy fan for quite some time and am relieved that she is gone.  I think Jim painted himself into a bit of a corner with the character and had no where to go with her, so she had to go.  It could be that Jim just has a bit of a hard time writing female characters over several books.  Maybe that's why he has treated Molly the way he has, she remains strong, while her and Harry do have love for one another, there is no romance. 

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on December 18, 2023, 07:36:23 PM ---I think that is a bit of a toss up, those really offended can simply quit the series...
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In the end, Jim's a commercial author -- it's how he makes his living.  He doesn't want to make too many of his fans too unhappy, or his book-sales will begin falling (and so will opportunities like movies or TV-series, and other ancillary income).  I don't think he's seeing that yet.

But then again... he's had zero DF novels released since he killed off Murphy, so I don't know that he knows, yet.


--- Quote from: Mira on December 18, 2023, 07:36:23 PM --- ... Maybe that's why he has treated Molly the way he has, she remains strong, while her and Harry do have love for one another, there is no romance.
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It's pretty clear that Molly is still harboring feelings for Harry; and Harry still admits (at least to himself) some sexual attraction (he may not be vocalizing it; but to Molly-the-Sensitive, he can't deny it).

So while there may not be any active "romantic relationship," there's still a background tension there (much as there was between him and Murphy, for many books).

Mira:

--- Quote ---So while there may not be any active "romantic relationship," there's still a background tension there (much as there was between him and Murphy, for many books).
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But that's the point, once the sexual tension is consummated it changes the relationship. It also changed Murphy, what made her interesting as a character for me was she was a strong female, was devoted to being a good policeman and the law, but was open minded about Harry's world and what he faced.  This gave her her own conflict to deal with, the sexual tension between her and Harry only added to the mix.  Actually I think it would have been better if Jim had stuck with Murphy's original reasons for not wanting a sexual relationship with Harry.  They were very good reasons, once they were abandoned, while he tried to make her more kick ass than ever, I found her a lot less interesting and a lot less believable.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on December 28, 2023, 02:49:47 PM --- ...  Actually I think it would have been better if Jim has stuck with Murphy's original reasons for not wanting a sexual relationship with Harry.  They were very good reasons, once they were abandoned, while he tried to make her more kick ass than ever, I found her a lot less interesting and a lot less believable.
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Murphy had to die (or maybe "die").
She was just a mortal, and Harry was moving further and further up the supernatural food-chain.  She could do amazing stuff against Valkyries, Whampires, etc... But put against something like a Naagloshii, she'd be d-e-d dead.

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