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Q&A Fantasyfestival 2023 in Esbjerg/Denmark
Mira:
--- Quote ---No reason at all that Young Odin couldn't have made a deal with post-Christ Yahweh, and then Soulfire'd some centuries-old warrior-ghosts (think Sir Stuart) to jumpstart his corps of fighters.
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He could have made a deal with post-Christ Yahweh. Theory, Odin knows he will need an army at some point for Ragnarok, but only Yahweh has archangels etc... So he comes up with the idea of using the best human warriors that died in battle to fight for him. However they are dead, he needs soul fire to animate them and give them limited intellectus.. No, idea what Yahweh gets in return.. ::)
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2023, 08:06:22 PM ---... he needs soul fire to animate them and give them limited intellectus...
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I think it's specifically the Valkyries who have the intellectus, and the intellectus is about the deeds & heroism of einherjaren, so they (the Valk's) make good choices.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on September 28, 2023, 08:30:09 PM ---I think it's specifically the Valkyries who have the intellectus, and the intellectus is about the deeds & heroism of einherjaren, so they (the Valk's) make good choices.
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Here is the wording from Gard on page 365 of Battle Ground;
--- Quote ---She waved her hand vaguely at her temple. "It's a limited intellectus, of the honored dead, of their deeds."
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She doesn't say it is her intellectus, but " intellectus of the honored dead, of their deeds." The Valkyrie select the dead warriors based on their lives and how they died. In Valhalla the dead warriors live,party, train, fight, get torn apart, some die again, to live again, be put back together, live again in the halls, party and do it all over again.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2023, 10:39:56 PM --- Here is the wording from Gard on page 365 of Battle Ground;
--- Quote ---She waved her hand vaguely at her temple. "It's a limited intellectus, of the honored dead, of their deeds."
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She doesn't say it is her intellectus, but " intellectus of the honored dead, of their deeds." The Valkyrie select the dead warriors based on their lives and how they died...
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<nod> Just so.
She waves at her own temple, and she describes the intellectus needed to be a Chooser of the Slain.
The intellectus she describes isn't really ... relevant to an einherjar. It isn't like it's an intellectus of combat-syles, of martial arts.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The White God has a proscription about the heavy hitters being in the mortal world, we aren’t told this, but we see it in action, The Queensare as powerful as is required.
We know Odin traded away the majority of his power to stay in the mortal world and needs the Kringle mantle to retain his immortality. He presumably made a deal with Uriel to surrender thats what the White God got - the remainder of Odin’s godhood and presumably that of his sons. This probably went into making the mantles in the first place. The Mothers answer to the names of the Norns for example.
In return Odin gets Soulfire at the time of Christ. He later gets the Kringle mantle say at the 13th Century. Do you know what Kringle means?
From Wikipedia
Kringle (/ˈkrɪŋɡəl/, listenⓘ) is a Northern European pastry, a variety of pretzel. Pretzels were introduced by Roman Catholic monks in the 13th century in Denmark, and from there they spread throughout Scandinavia and evolved into several kinds of sweet, salty or filled pastries, all in the shape of kringle.
Twisted or knotty like a pretzel describes Odin perfectly. And the timing fits perfectly. Jim uses words and names purposefully. At the same time we get the Christmas gift givers in multiple cultures start to arise, reinforcing the Christmas mythos.
Odin himself used the Valknut, Kringle uses the Kringle, both are knots.
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