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Mira:

--- Quote ---In my version of events Lea knew exactly what kind of person Justin was; even if the White Council didn't know, or fully know, about Justin.  She always planned to turn on him at the first opportunity and gain the use of Harry's abilities for herself.  Justin probably never realized that Lea had been training Harry; apparently to just believe in himself, when Harry returned to face him.  It's a series of moves that the White Court of Vampires would approve of.

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What would the White Court of Vampires have to do with Lea and Justin?  Yes, Lord Raith murdered Harry's mother, but I don't see any evidence that he had anything to do with either Lea or Justin.

KurtinStGeorge:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 04, 2024, 12:52:30 PM ---What would the White Court of Vampires have to do with Lea and Justin?  Yes, Lord Raith murdered Harry's mother, but I don't see any evidence that he had anything to do with either Lea or Justin.

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I should have explained.  It's manipulation on a scale that someone like Lara Raith could admire, though Lara or any of the Raiths would have used a different method to attain it. 

Lea makes a deal with Margarite LeFay to protect Harry, then while still fulfilling her given word, either allows Harry's father to be murdered or does it herself as part of a deal with Justin DuMorne.  DuMorne thinks he has won a great prize but Lea has simply offloaded the drudge work of teaching Harry basic magic skills until she can find a way to dispose of Justin.  A break between Justin and Harry (Did Lea have anything to do with that? Meaning, did she have another deal with whoever summoned HWWB?) allows Lea to get Harry to remove Justin for her and to top everything off, it allows Lea to make a binding deal with a young, desperate and naïve, starborn wizard Harry.

P.S. New topic on the same character.  Thinking back to the dénouement of the Battle of Chicken Pizza in Changes, Ebenezer approaches Harry and Lea and asks her to leave so he can discus "family business" with Harry.  Ebenezer knew who Lea was and he knew that she knew about Eb and Harry's familial relationship. 

It is one thing for Ebenezer to recognize The Leanansidhe; Lea is a very powerful figure in the Winter Court and Ebenezer has been around long enough to have had some experience with the fae, but as was pointed out in Battle Ground, Eb doesn't believe in casually dropping any information about anything, especially family.  Even if Eb guessed that Lea knew that Eb was Harry's grandfather, he still wouldn't have mentioned it, he might have said something like "White Council business" instead.

What I want to know is, how did Ebenezer know that Lea knew?  Margaret LeFay was on the run and probably realized that her time was running out when she made the deal with Lea to protect Harry.  Ebenezer wasn't there.  Ebenezer didn't visit Harry in the orphanage, Lea did.  Even if Harry told Eb about the deal he had struck with Lea to defeat Justin; after the White Council put Harry under the Doom of Damocles and under Eb's guidance, Ebenezer wouldn't have known how much Lea knew about Harry's family.

Did Ebenezer make his own deal with Lea?  I'm not speculating what such a deal might have involved, but those two know each other and not just by reputation.  It suggests something more is going on here and perhaps something important. 

Mira:

--- Quote ---Lea makes a deal with Margarite LeFay to protect Harry, then while still fulfilling her given word, either allows Harry's father to be murdered or does it herself as part of a deal with Justin DuMorne.  DuMorne thinks he has won a great prize but Lea has simply offloaded the drudge work of teaching Harry basic magic skills until she can find a way to dispose of Justin.  A break between Justin and Harry (Did Lea have anything to do with that? Meaning, did she have another deal with whoever summoned HWWB?) allows Lea to get Harry to remove Justin for her and to top everything off, it allows Lea to make a binding deal with a young, desperate and naïve, starborn wizard Harry.

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I think you give Lea too much credit for preplanning young Harry's life.  I think the original mistake was made by Margaret when she made the bargain to protect her baby in the first place.  The mistake was believing that the Fae would understand fully the ways of humans.  Since she was human once, Mab has this understanding, but Lea was born a Fae I believe.  Early in the books we discover her ways of "protecting" Harry are a bit odd, like wanting to turn him into one of her hounds for example.  I don't believe she "threatened" this out of malice as Harry thought, but because of her misunderstanding of human thinking she actually thought it was a good way to protect him.

--- Quote ---P.S. New topic on the same character.  Thinking back to the dénouement of the Battle of Chicken Pizza in Changes, Ebenezer approaches Harry and Lea and asks her to leave so he can discus "family business" with Harry.  Ebenezer knew who Lea was and he knew that she knew about Eb and Harry's familial relationship.

It is one thing for Ebenezer to recognize The Leanansidhe; Lea is a very powerful figure in the Winter Court and Ebenezer has been around long enough to have had some experience with the fae, but as was pointed out in Battle Ground, Eb doesn't believe in casually dropping any information about anything, especially family.  Even if Eb guessed that Lea knew that Eb was Harry's grandfather, he still wouldn't have mentioned it, he might have said something like "White Council business" instead.
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Yet he must have known that Lea was Harry's godmother, thus knew about Margaret and I bet his connection.  He also had to be aware that one of the main reasons for Harry's success in the mission was Mab's help when no one else was willing to help him take on the Red Court.  I think the reason for Eb wanting to talk to Harry out of Lea's earshot was his reassurance to Harry that even though he was now Mab's Winter Knight, he still had free will and could use his own judgement when Mab ordered him to do something he thought was wrong.

--- Quote ---Did Ebenezer make his own deal with Lea?  I'm not speculating what such a deal might have involved, but those two know each other and not just by reputation.  It suggests something more is going on here and perhaps something important. 
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I agree that there is a lot more to the original bargain, also that it will play a critical role in future events.

vincentric:
I think Harry not being found was a combination of Justin and Lea hiding him but not necessarily working together to do so.

Justin took Harry from the orphanage and hid the legal traces and some of the magical ones. He may have been good enough all on his own, but Lea may have helped here by obscuring the trail long enough for it to grow too cold for Eb's and Morgan's searches to find him.

Why would she do that? She has a deal with Maggie Sr. to protect Harry but she's not operating from a humancentric moral stance. Justin was keeping Harry (and Elayne) safe and training them in magic. She might have thought he would be safer there than in the households that Eb/Morgan would make for them. Plus, she never lost track of Harry. She's watched from the NeverNever to fulfil her obligation towards Harry until Ghost Story. She even kept Harry's homes linked to her realms in the NeverNever so she could see when he was in trouble. When Justin turned on Harry, she came running, saw that Harry had beaten HWWB and gave him the confidence he needed to face Justin, who Harry perceived as a bigger threat. Since Harry won, she didn't need to step in.

Risky? Yes. Tough Love? She's Winter Fae, I think that's all they understand.

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