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Goodman Grey, nemfected?
g33k:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 01, 2023, 07:29:02 PM ---You don't deceive Mab in the long term. But she's not omniscient and you can get things over in short term.
Lea and Maeve were both Nemfected, It didn't take Mab long to discover it, but a lot of damage was done.
Harry's suicide was successful and would have been permanent if not for Ivy's threat to Kincaid and Mab going to extraordinary measures to save him. She was actually pleased with the attempt.
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Yes; all of this.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Harry's suicide was successful and would have been permanent if not for Ivy's threat to Kincaid and Mab going to extraordinary measures to save him. She was actually pleased with the attempt.
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But was it really? Interesting that it was a shot to the heart and not the head, death wasn't instant was it? That he fell into ice cold water that would immediately begin to cool his body and slow things down, that he just happened to fall into Mab's waiting arms. If he had fallen onto the deck, he would have quickly bled out. Harry was never all dead, he was mostly dead, which is slightly alive. Uriel wanted to teach Harry a lesson, and Mab felt she had no choice but to go along knowing it was a risk because "death is a spectrum". Ivy was pissed because Harry would think of doing such a thing, and more pissed at Kincaid because he'd go along with it. It is my opinion that both Mab and Uriel anticipated what Harry was going to do and acted accordingly.
RobReece:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2023, 11:06:19 AM --- Harry was never all dead, he was mostly dead, which is slightly alive.
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Perfect
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2023, 11:06:19 AM --- But was it really? Interesting that it was a shot to the heart and not the head, death wasn't instant was it? That he fell into ice cold water that would immediately begin to cool his body and slow things down, that he just happened to fall into Mab's waiting arms. If he had fallen onto the deck, he would have quickly bled out. Harry was never all dead, he was mostly dead, which is slightly alive. Uriel wanted to teach Harry a lesson, and Mab felt she had no choice but to go along knowing it was a risk because "death is a spectrum". Ivy was pissed because Harry would think of doing such a thing, and more pissed at Kincaid because he'd go along with it. It is my opinion that both Mab and Uriel anticipated what Harry was going to do and acted accordingly.
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Ivy forced Kincaid to make a chest shot and not a headshot. If Kincaid had done it with a headshot Harry would be DEAD dead. There wouldn't have been enough for Mab to save.
g33k:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 01, 2023, 07:29:02 PM --- ...
Harry's suicide was successful and would have been ...
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--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2023, 11:06:19 AM --- But was it really? ...
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Yes, it was "successful," insofar as he arranged a fatal injury for himself, which happened.
If it had been most other people, they'd have died.
If Harry hadn't had other interested parties get involved (without his knowledge or consent), Harry himself would have died.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2023, 11:06:19 AM --- ... Interesting that it was a shot to the heart and not the head, death wasn't instant was it? ...
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We know Ivy's involvement, there. And Mab, Uriel, Alfred after the fact... maybe before?
--- Quote from: Mira on September 02, 2023, 11:06:19 AM --- ... That he fell into ice cold water that would immediately begin to cool his body and slow things down, that he just happened to fall into Mab's waiting arms. If he had fallen onto the deck, he would have quickly bled out. ...
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As you say.
It makes me wonder, whether beings like Mab... like frikkin' Uriel! ... really left that moment up to "chance."
Rock the boat at the right moment... a few Pixies dragging Harry's shoulders... a Nixie or Neriad actually reaching on-board to grab him... Was there really ever any chance of "if he had fallen onto the deck"?
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