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Dabble Interview 23 August 2023

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g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 27, 2023, 10:35:14 PM --- Somehow I don't see Red Court vampires as very supernatural, or not in the same way as magical talent is supernatural...
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???!?

They are supernaturally-strong.
They are supernaturally-tough.
They are supernaturally-vulnerable to sunlight.
They are inherently-able to summon an ectoplasmic "flesh mask" from the Nevernever.
This seems... passably "supernatural" in nature.

A well-prepared wizard is usually superior to a Rampire, of course.

CrusherJen:
Well, yes, but it's a different type of "supernatural." Red vamps aren't human anymore, where a wizard is kind of "human with an upgrade." And half-Ramps like Susan are caught halfway between human and other... or maybe just frozen mid-transition. It's been a long time since I've read the earlier books, but if I'm remembering right, Susan only had partial Ramp abilities, and she was still human enough to have a child. So she wasn't fully supernatural before she turned... yet she wasn't 100% typical human either. 🤷‍♀️

Mira:

--- Quote from: CrusherJen on August 30, 2023, 06:00:40 AM ---Well, yes, but it's a different type of "supernatural." Red vamps aren't human anymore, where a wizard is kind of "human with an upgrade." And half-Ramps like Susan are caught halfway between human and other... or maybe just frozen mid-transition. It's been a long time since I've read the earlier books, but if I'm remembering right, Susan only had partial Ramp abilities, and she was still human enough to have a child. So she wasn't fully supernatural before she turned... yet she wasn't 100% typical human either. 🤷‍♀️

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Exactly, before she was infected she was 100% vanilla human, if she had talent it was of the ordinary kind like Butters when we first meet him..

vincentric:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 30, 2023, 10:34:20 AM ---Exactly, before she was infected she was 100% vanilla human, if she had talent it was of the ordinary kind like Butters when we first meet him..

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Yes, but we are led to believe by the books that Susan didn't become pregnant until after she was infected. So Maggie is the child of a wizard and a quasi-ramp. If she has any magical potential, then Chichen Itza may have activated it early.

cander891:

--- Quote from: CrusherJen on August 30, 2023, 06:00:40 AM ---Well, yes, but it's a different type of "supernatural."

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This really goes into an idea I've been playing with in my head where I classify things in the Dresden verse as a Being, Creature, or Mantle. I'd put vampires as creatures, whereas Odin is a Being, and Kringle, the queens, and the Knight are mantles. I have a long draft of a post I am working on for the topic.

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