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Let's take another look at Elaine ...
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 22, 2023, 05:24:26 PM ---Why give Harry a way out? If Aurora and Elaine are both nemfected?
And if Aurura died where did her Nemfection go? Not Lily, Fix? Toot? Aurora died by Harry’s hand he was holding her while she died. Maeve was killed by suicide and her infection passed on. Is that the difference? Harry in killing the host kills the Nemfection?
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Maeve died by Murphy putting a bullet through her face on Halloween. And her Nemfection didn't pass on. Justine was already controlled at the time according to Nemesis' own words.
“How long?” I asked. “How long have you been in Justine?”
Justine waved the steel bar in a vague gesture. “Mortal time is such a limited concept. A few years. Ever since she became close to Lara.”
Butcher, Jim. Battle Ground (Dresden Files Book 17) (p. 360). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Jim literally used the trope “suicide by cop”, he does love to blatantly use writing tropes and rub the readers face in it. He’s even admitted to this with Bob being nothing more than a talking head. I think it gives him pleasure to torture his more literary readers in this manner. Make them read hoary old tropes and enjoy it. This is why it was Murphy who did the deed, and why it was suicide. Harry or Mab goaded into killing Maeve wouldn’t have set off Jim maniacally laughing.
We have Nemesis word for the time of Nemfection, but as I pointed out earlier on this thread with Elaine “we should not trust anything she says about her past history” and this is one of the two main antagonists of the files, in addition there wasn’t an appropriate vector at that time. No Athame, no Nemfected in proximity, so either Nemesis is trying to mislead or there is a nemfected vector we are not aware about and Nemesis is concealing it.
Justine was sequestered by the White Court and had very little contact with the outside. One of the White Court? Madrigal, Madeleine? I would suggest Madeleine infected Justine during Turn Coat during the Club Zero episode in front of Harry and Thomas, later than Nemesis suggested meaning Justine was only nemfected for 4 years. Madeleine was the equivalent of Maeve in the White Court, an already disaffected Raith family Member one step removed from the seat of power as being a cousin. A perfect candidate for Nemfection and becoming a vector and explains her suddenly turning up at Club Zero, Morgan was essential for the long term destabilisation of the White Council and Nemesis needed someone within Harry’s inner circle at this point. No need prior to that, and Madeleine was on the outs with her family at this point, her use inside the White Court was becoming limited as Justine was expanding her role. She dies in Turn Coat.
Justine was either infected around Turn Coat or in Cold Days, and likely not earlier.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Jim literally used the trope “suicide by cop”, he does love to blatantly use writing tropes and rub the readers face in it. He’s even admitted to this with Bob being nothing more than a talking head. I think it gives him pleasure to torture his more literary readers in this manner. Make them read hoary old tropes and enjoy it. This is why it was Murphy who did the deed, and why it was suicide. Harry or Mab goaded into killing Maeve wouldn’t have set off Jim maniacally laughing.
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I don't think it was suicide by cop. Maeve didn't want to die, though Murphy pulled the trigger, it is my belief that it was really Mab that did it. There is a very good hint that it was her, just before Murphy's hand miraculously is free to grab her pistol quick draw and shoot Maeve between the eyes, Mab moves her finger.. Very quiet, easily missed, but it is there, and yeah, when the chips were down I could see Mab doing it... So while Murphy was the instrument, it was Mab that played the music.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Nemesis wanted Maeve to die. She was no longer useful, and represented a loose end. Harry could have put Maeve and Nemesis down, and just released the Mantle, that much is admitted. Of course there wouldn’t be much Maeve left but Nemesis would be contained, and the Mantle back in play, the losing situation for Nemesis. It buggered up the succession and wasn’t contained.
Jim loves his hoary old tropes, goodness Mirror, Mirror is going to be entirely “Evil Twin”
apgrey:
Ref A: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,54257.msg2345633.html#msg2345633
Ref B: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,50129.msg2289460.html#msg2289460
Ref C: https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53049.msg2318077.html#msg2318077
The above are previous posts by me about Elaine Mallory.
I think that Jim Butcher said at one point that Elaine was a potential starborn. He did not confirm if she actually was a starborn or not.
There is probably something very significant in Elaine Mallory's backstory, but we don't know what it is yet. We don't have any independent confirmation of anything she did between Justin DuMorne's death and Summer Knight.
APG
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