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In Retrospect The Relevance Of Storm Front and Full Moon
Conspiracy Theorist:
“We learn much later that what is going on with Morgan in regards to Harry is much more complicated that it appears to be in Storm Front.”
Morgan is set up from day 1 in Storm Front, as being unfairly hard on Harry) we learn in Journal Morgan was supposed to protect young Harry ( a future where Harry was Morgan’s apprentice perhaps!) this does suggest to me Cowl via the Peabody connection scooped up the Young Harry, not as a weapon against the Red Court (Cowl wanted the thorough destruction of the WC and was against Ariana’s scheme, but because of Harry’s Starborn status. It was known to members of the Senior Council in Summer Knight, how long had Peabody been seeking to influence the WC? If Cowl is Nameless that would be from when Cowl was paperclipped into Winter in the 50’s. Was Cowl through Peabody responsible for the break between Margaret LeFay and Eb and the suggestion of her using her ability of the ways to “Time” a child perfectly. Worse yet we know that Eb was planning to make her Blackstaff in his stead, as a female Blackstaff she could break the laws of magic and have a child as a Starborn by time travel. Is this why was that what made her run away? Was why the Wardens pursued he? Morgan was a much better candidate for Blackstaff, except he was male, the Captain was past child bearing age at this point. Margaret was barely 100 years old when she had Harry, so she was in her 70’s or 80’s when she ran away and began gathering her unique knowledge of the Ways. Why pass over both of these much better candidates?
She is later scooped up by another Cowl cats paw Papa Raith leading to Thomas, when her knowledge of the Ways suggest a second way to manipulate Harry’s birth. If Cowl is Nameless he is inside Winter at this point and sees a way to get his very own Starborn via Lord Raith. But why after showing she could do this she voluntarily ‘Time’ a child as Starborn? All I can think of is that Uriel or the Gatekeeper intervened at this point telling her that Harry would be key to the future, but only if his father was this particular good man.
I think ‘born’ in the context is when the umbilical cord is cut and the baby is independent of the mother so you could have a practiotioner midwife being able to wait a few minutes. Margaret manipulates the day and hour via the Never Never and the midwife manipulates the minute and second, by holding off cutting the cord as dawn breaks. I bet the midwife was Lea, she so does love children. Especially firstborn.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I think ‘born’ in the context is when the umbilical cord is cut and the baby is independent of the mother so you could have a practiotioner midwife being able to wait a few minutes. Margaret manipulates the day and hour via the Never Never and the midwife manipulates the minute and second, by holding off cutting the cord as dawn breaks. I bet the midwife was Lea, she so does love children. Especially firstborn.
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I don't think it is so much about the hour the star born child was born, but more of how the planets are lined up at the moment of conception. Anyway that is how I interpret what Lash told Harry in White Night about how and why he was conceived. I seem to remember this explanation in a couple of other places. Both Margaret and Malcolm seem to apologize to Harry about what they did to him, which speaks to preplanning as to his birth under the right astrological set up to be a star born.. There has to be more than just the moment of birth, because anywhere in the world, hundreds if not thousands of kids are born at the same moment.. They cannot all be star born kids.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2023, 07:13:00 PM --- I don't think it is so much about the hour the star born child was born, but more of how the planets are lined up at the moment of conception. Anyway that is how I interpret what Lash told Harry in White Night about how and why he was conceived.
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Huh. That's an interesting notion! A bit belied by the term "Starborn" (implying when-born; rather than, e.g. "Starchild" etc, "child of the star(s)," i.e. influence at conception). OTOH, Jim could have chosen "...born" as an intentional obfuscation! Wouldn't be the first time he has slapped some red paint on a poor innocent herring...
I'll have to go back and read what Lash said in that scene... It's an idea well-worth a ponder or two, and a re-read.
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2023, 07:13:00 PM --- ... Both Margaret and Malcolm seem to apologize to Harry about what they did to him, which speaks to preplanning as to his birth under the right astrological set up to be a star born ...
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Not necessarily. Speaking as a parent, I've grieved -- and expressed "sorry for..." -- things that were largely outside my control.
Parents often feel "guilty" for not protecting their kids well-enough (even as they go to extremes of self-sacrifice in protecting them).
--- Quote from: Mira on July 28, 2023, 07:13:00 PM --- ... There has to be more than just the moment of birth, because anywhere in the world, hundreds if not thousands of kids are born at the same moment.. They cannot all be star born kids.
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If there are "hundreds if not thousands" of kids born at the right moment, there were presumably a comparable number conceived at the right moment, too (stork action notwithstanding) ! ;)
But it's not just time but place -- the stars that were overhead in Middle America when Harry was born were dipping below the horizon in Chandler's neck of the woods!
Mira:
--- Quote ---But it's not just time but place -- the stars that were overhead in Middle America when Harry was born were dipping below the horizon in Chandler's neck of the woods!
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Like I said, it is more complicated, otherwise it would be poor story telling.. ::)
White Night page 363 hardback
--- Quote ---"It is relevant," Lasciel said. "because of the circumstances of your birth--because of why you were born, Harry. Your mother found the strength to escape Lord Raith for areason."
What the hell was she talking about?
Thud-thump:1:26.
"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies,of circumstances that would have given a child born under under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders."
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There are other references too but I don't have the time to look for them now where Harry is told that meeting Malcolm was the reason why Margaret decided to conceive him. My theory is she had been targeted all along to be a mother of a star child, but she rebelled against it. I think that's what Lord Raith had in mind, but Margaret didn't want that, yes, she had Thomas by him, but Thomas is no star child. Then she met Malcolm, fell in love, realized his goodness. This is a critical point in my opinion, because dozens of times through the series Malcolm's good heart is mentioned, that Harry inherited his good heart. Even Eb tells Harry in Blood Rites he had never seen a soul that was that good... I was paraphrasing, and at five in the morning on a quarter cup of coffee I'm not going to look up another exact quote at this time... ::) Anyway, back to the subject, Margaret wanted to balance the power of a star child with the goodness that hopefully her son would get from his father.
--- Quote ---"There was a complex confluence of events, of energies,of circumstances that would have given a child born under under them the potential to wield power over Outsiders
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That reeks of family planning once Margaret met and married Malcolm, Harry was no accident, his father sets him apart from the other star born we've met, i.e. Drakul and Listen. I think Morgan may have known of her plan, or there is a hint that he knew from the mini-story, but it wasn't till nearly the end of his life did he fully trust it or Harry. Harry is also told a couple of times that he was meant to be a weapon, that's what Justin was hoping to exploit for his own reasons, but Harry escaped him.
Which brings up another idea in my coffee deprived mind.. Mab clearly wants to and does use her now Knight Harry as a weapon.. Most likely that was part of the plan all along, why Harry ended up with a real Fae godmother. But Malcolm remains the real wildcard, maybe why he was murdered, because who ever did it was hoping that it would minimize his influence over his son and spoil the plans others had for their "weapon," Harry..
Conspiracy Theorist:
I am not sure Mab was planning for Harry, her reach and knowledge is limited to a single universe.
Uriel on the other hand does not have such limitations, and he can look through each universe as time goes by and pick winners. This Harry came to his attention in Grave Peril and the decision he made, the MM Harry eliminated himself from the infinite line-up of Champions. Mab simply is not the top of the tree on this. Malcolm was only the way for someone actively plotting to use a Starborn, Cowl/Nameless and the Senior Council, Lea just had a bargain, as is her wont and Mab becomes interested in Harry only after Grave Peril when Uriel is in a position to manipulate Mab. “Your Vassal Lea has a contract with Harry Dresden, use that to make him your Winter Knight)
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