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Mira:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 08, 2023, 05:55:28 PM ---nor did he actually die so 🤷‍♂️  must be that's not the right interpretation of the curse.

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But he did hear it, and as Mab said herself, "death is a spectrum.." Harry died, but no so far on that road that he couldn't return. 

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Mira on July 09, 2023, 10:23:31 AM ---But he did hear it, and as Mab said herself, "death is a spectrum.." Harry died, but no so far on that road that he couldn't return.

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that's a matter of opinion a few in book characters disagree with, including butters. It's actually implied that's his subconscious mocking him. Not actually Cassius.
And so we're clear, how is this
--- Quote from: Mira on July 08, 2023, 03:20:09 PM ---  Remember Harry also heard the curse in his head as he fell into the water, but he wasn't alone, he fell into Mab's waiting arms.  Nor was he alone when his spirit did it's walk about, so what Malcolm told him still holds true.  What Malcolm told him came from Malcolm's experience of dying.. While the curse of Cassius sounds terrible, but since Cassius had had no real experience of being dead or dying, it just sounds worse than it really is... And in fact is no curse at all.

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actually a linear reply to this
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on July 07, 2023, 06:59:50 AM ---Random thought on the death curse theory, Harry also got shot right before he hooked with Murphy.
Gotta wonder, how insidious do they get? Cassius was a many headed snake wasn't he? Just like his multiple snake manifestation? I expect his magic might be slithering and worming it's way through it's actions and setting up odd coincidences to achieve it's aims instead of direct force. It'd be much better efficiency.

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instead of just taking the longer route to tell me I'm wrong on an unrelated thread of wether or not it's a curse, if it's that bad, ect. This is a random thought on a pre-existing theory not an invitation to expound upon your differences..? Seems to me your assertion he wasn't alone is proof enough that either A that's not part of the curse despite hearing it or B 🤷‍♂️ we obviously don't know exactly what the curse is doing outright and should discuss it further
Now then let's see, Mira
how if he wasn't alone was his death in any way related to the discharging of the curse? I'd he's meant to be alone after death then how could Uriel have arrived? Is the difference in power so great weak snakebite could actually waylay a divine agent but CAN'T stop Uriel? Is Cassius as strong as an angel without his fallen? Yet somehow can't lay out a proper curse? If it was no curse at all what EXACTLY did Harry feel slither over him when Cassius released his non-curse? How can you know Cassius had no real experience with death or dying? If you don't know the curses intentions, how can if sound worse than it really is, is not the death of all possible significant others bad enough?
How come Cassius wasted his entire death curse on a non curse with no intentions behind it whatsoever? *Steeples fingers* I'm tired of being on the defensive because I want to speak my thoughts. I've always had questions, now I'll start asking for answers.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Uriel has a particular interest in Harry and all that is required is to delay an Angel of death for Harry’s soul to be waylaid, a mortal curse giving a way in for the infernal from the NeverNever, it’s the same as whistling in an Outsider.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 09, 2023, 12:42:56 PM ---Uriel has a particular interest in Harry and all that is required is to delay an Angel of death for Harry’s soul to be waylaid, a mortal curse giving a way in for the infernal from the NeverNever, it’s the same as whistling in an Outsider.

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sure. Except the counter argument here is Cassius is too weak and stupid to do better than waste his curse on something that wasn't a curse. That he gathered up all this energy and life left to live and poofed it into nothingness contrary to Einstein being as relevant as his theory in the DF.
Though for a more sensical argument not predicated on being smug about it.
Is the difference in power scale between an angel of death and Uriel so great that Cassius can be reasonably strong enough to waylay one but not catch the other in the same net?

Conspiracy Theorist:
Cassius had been communing with a Fallen for Centuries, for all we know he had planned this in advance with a Fallen, in which case a Fallen Angel would equal an Angel of Death with surprise and mortal magic to sway the match, but Uriel is as powerful as Lucifer, his limitations prevent him from acting unless a Fallen is in play which Cassius did do.

Frankly Cassius didn’t think this out, he is hell bound and had he managed to have Harry shanghaied, who do you think he would have been assigned as a roommate?

An eternity of Harry cracking wise on his ass would make eternity especially long for Cassius. Uriel’s saved both Harry and Cassius.

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