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Help finding a Theory (Marcone is Arthur to Harry's Merlin)

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The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 08, 2023, 10:59:19 PM ---I note you don’t deny the truth of my statement.

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no need to refute nonsense..

--- Quote ---Besides your theory conflates two separate beings Marcone and Namshiel, the former owned the Castle, the latter is the magic teacher. Besides the plot  the Castle stood on was Harry’s home BEFORE Marcone put the Castle on it, and his lab still stands, so you have it round the wrong way, Marcone cheated Harry out of his home, his fortress. Their roles are thus reversed.

Merlin was a Shapeshifter par excellence, now which Shapeshifter has actually offered to tutor Harry? Not Marcone.
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I don't believe you're unintelligent. I do believe you think because you have a different mask than I've delt with before I won't recognize you. However, completely non sequitur that.

--- Quote ---If you want to look at Arthurian analogues, Marcone is a much better fit for Mordred,  Harry did in fact create the Baron Marcone we know, Even Hand shows how much input Harry had. I do not expect Marcone to say to Harry “Harry, I am your son”

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way to jumble together a bunch of entirely disparate statements. Do behave. I've not seen griff go voice of God on anyone. But it'd be a shame to lose Eldest Gruff again 😉

Conspiracy Theorist:
Based entirely upon a searchable WOJ and posted to a thread on this forum, so definitely not nonsense.

I would point out Edinburgh has only been used as the White Council HQ for 500 years (start of Chapter 14 Turn Coat) so was not won by the OG Merlin destroying that particular theory. That time period would roughly overlap with the historical lifetime of Dr John Dee, Court Wizard to Elizabeth I. It may be for that gamble (or more mundane political reasons) that Dee ended up hiding out in Demonreach and is the British Prisoner. WOJ has it that Mab is extremely cautious whilst in Great Britain in respect of its Monarch, Dees work?

Getting someone like Dee out of Demonreach would be interesting, he is close enough in time to modern wizards to have a lot of pertinent information, yet too old for any current Wizard (except the Gatekeeper) to have known personally. Turn Coat also sees the introduction of Demonreach so Jim would have had that plot thread in mind when seeding that particular bit of information, and he has deliberately kept the anonymity of the British Prisoner, presumably as it is a name which is recognisable. Dee certainly is to SF and F fans. I would point out Dee’s known life overlapped with the publication of a Midsummers Night Dream (1595- 1596) , which features Titania Queen of the Fairies, perhaps Titania took insult and blamed Dee, Elizabeth could protect him (Mab had a respectful relationship with the British monarchy) but she died in 1603 and Dee ‘dies’ in 1605 or 1606. This theory has the benefit of being consistent with White Council practice, the tried to wipe out the Fae with the later Brothers Grimm and the Black Court with Bram Stoker, this may have given them the idea, and the attempt on the Fae may have made it impolitic to release Dee. In fact the hit on the Fae would overlap with Kemmlers life-time, was he responsible for that when he was still White Council? It’s exactly the type of thing which would interest Kemmler. Kemmler was renegade from at least 1876 (Fistful of Warlocks) and the Grimms Jacob (1785–1863) and Wilhelm (1786–1859) aren’t that far off in time . So Kemmler becomes Warden, finds out from BP about Midsummers Night Dream and uses that to persuade the WC for the hit for his own research. It goes badly and Kemmler is disowned by the WC, going full Warlock, not unlike another Wizard….The WC couldn’t get another Warden until Kemmler relinquished it or died and he would do neither. This would appeal to the Literature Student in Jim.

My other favoured theory for the BP is that it is Bob’s ‘dad’ which is another valid reason for hiding out, but the timing is wrong for both to be correct.

Yuillegan:
I have seen this theory around for a few years, I myself have thought about it myself (whether that was inspired subconsciously by someone else's theory or not I cannot be certain). I don't think I ever wrote any of my thoughts down about it.

Obviously the easy links are those Jim has hinted at for a number of years. Harry has many obvious (and some less obvious) connections and parallels to both the Dresdenverse OG Merlin, and the literary figure.

Jim has both said in multiple interviews and AMAs and Q&As, as well as once or twice in the books, that Marcone would have made a good feudal lord or king. Which seems true enough I suppose, given how effectively Marcone rules his territory.

But I think it's important to examine the differences too.

Marcone is primarily a lawful evil character. He works within his rules, but he commits many morally evil acts. This would rule him out (at least for the time being) from being a "good" king, and Arthur is supposed to be the Western ideal of a "good king". Arthur of course makes many mistakes during his tenure, but ultimately is a lawful good character.

Furthermore, Marcone is a Denarian now, which while not ruling him out forever from holding a Sword of the Cross, it does rule him out for as long as he holds that Coin AND doesn't repent and attempt to atone, just like Sanya is doing. Arthur famously held Excalibur, and we of course know (as of Ghost Story) that Amoracchius (Michael Carpenter's Sword) is also Excalibur by a different name. So Marcone doesn't seem like the right option right now.

I feel Marcone is closer to Vortigern, if anything.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Marcone at the moment has the capacity to be both Arthur or Mordred - coin or sword (same choice as Brian Braddock but inverted).

Never underestimates Jim’s capacity to jam high culture and low culture together, he got a six book deal out of it.

I actually see Marcone (with Michael) as potential candidates to take on Kringle’s Mantle when Odin dies at Ragnarok. That’s a well trod prophecy so Mab and Uriel must have some plan for a back-up..The obvious advantage is the immortality and freeing from a Fallen. Makes you do a double-take at Santa Claus is coming to Town.

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
… Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
… He's making a list
He's checking it twice
He's gonna find out
Who's naughty or nice
… Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
… He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake
… So you better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
… Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
Santa Claus is comin' to town
… The kids in girl and boyland
Will have a jubilee
They're gonna build a toyland
All around the Christmas tree
… So you better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
… Santa Claus (is comin' to town)
Santa Claus (is comin' to town)
Santa Claus is comin'
Santa Claus is comin'
Santa Claus is comin'
To town”

Besides Jim could not resist having Harry call Marcone a Faerie Godfather, and don’t get on Marcone’s Naughty List.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote ---ased entirely upon a searchable WOJ and posted to a thread on this forum, so definitely not nonsense.

I would point out Edinburgh has only been used as the White Council HQ for 500 years (start of Chapter 14 Turn Coat) so was not won by the OG Merlin destroying that particular theory.
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well let's see. 600 ish years is a KNOWN cycle for a theory predicated on repetition of events. So doesn't effect that. And the woj in question is related to interviews between SG and BG, where as you can use the above to have predicted it far earlier, since GS.  And is indeed something I surmised during a complete reread and break down of the DF, noticing in GP the NN around Harry's apartment is simply a Brighter Chicago. I remember when this came up, and I was happy someone finally caught on to it to. Kudos. However. None of that "destroys" any theory, thats the nonsense. Coming into the idea to destroy or 'win' and then looking for the 'facts' that support your supposition is the exact opposite of the order of theory. For instance, based on your attitude towards me I theorized you might be EG. Based on new information here I find that to be invalidated, EG would've done better. I ask again, what does A realizing the connection based on woj about the basketball court or B Edinburg has presumably only been around for 500 years but is rumored to have been won by Merlin tricking a fae lord have to do with C the theory of repeating history in the DF?

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