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Rudy up on charges?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 15, 2023, 09:01:54 AM ---Harry had a handle on the Mantle despite all provocation and everything going around him, then Rudy, it was the ultimate test. However who was influencing Rudy? I have him as Cowl’s man.
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Rudy is a paranoid dick, has been since we first met him.. I doubt he is Cowl's man or anyone else of the supernatural world.. No, he is simply pure vanilla human a-hole..
--- Quote ---I mean yes but also no. If you look at Harry's internal dialogue in that moment it's very much reminiscent of the end of Cold Day's when he let the mantle in too deep.
Like how he refers to Rudolph as a 'thing' or how he's happy that Sanya shows up to stop him because he'll put up more of a fight.
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I don't think you can compare the two, in Cold Days he was dealing with the mantel's rages and power over things like sexual urges and violent over reactions.
Yes, he calls Rudy a thing, not because of the mantle, but because Rudy had just killed his beloved and had harassed the both of them for years. His reaction was a normal human violent reaction to to someone murdering a loved one before his eyes. The proof that Harry wasn't under the mantel's influence is his reaction once Sanya and Butters got him under control..
Nooneofconsequence:
Fidelacchius burned Harry. Because the mantle, supernatural "wicked faerie" power was influencing him.
Yes his grief and anger were feeding it, but the mantle was, if not running things, then it was definitely guiding the details his actions.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Nooneofconsequence on June 15, 2023, 01:59:46 PM ---Fidelacchius burned Harry. Because the mantle, supernatural "wicked faerie" power was influencing him.
Yes his grief and anger were feeding it, but the mantle was, if not running things, then it was definitely guiding the details his actions.
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Or it burned him as a warning not to break one of the Ten Commandants in this case. I don't think it was about "wicked fairy" influences, because 1] I don't think Mab or the Winter Court are evil. 2] I don't think the mantle is evil in of itself.. 3] Perhaps more importantly previously the Sword didn't burn him, the mantle was still there, I doubt if it were evil in of itself the influence would stop. Think of the mantle as a tool, it enables a human Knight to do what he or she has to do. Can it be used for evil in the wrong vessel? Yes, it can, but that doesn't make it evil in of itself of wicked fairies.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 15, 2023, 02:09:59 PM ---Or it burned him as a warning not to break one of the Ten Commandants in this case. I don't think it was about "wicked fairy" influences, because 1] I don't think Mab or the Winter Court are evil. 2] I don't think the mantle is evil in of itself.. 3] Perhaps more importantly previously the Sword didn't burn him, the mantle was still there, I doubt if it were evil in of itself the influence would stop. Think of the mantle as a tool, it enables a human Knight to do what he or she has to do. Can it be used for evil in the wrong vessel? Yes, it can, but that doesn't make it evil in of itself of wicked fairies.
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The Swords do not act to prevent simple human error -- even Sin -- when driven by simple human passions like fear, love, anger, pain, etc. Sometimes the Knights will do that, offering compassion and wisdom.
The Angelic powers of the Swords only come into play when they need to neutralize Supernatural impacts.
The primary task of the Swords is to counter the Denarians, but they help whenever the Supernatural is threatening to take away humans' free will.
Harry felt pain because he was "acting under the influence," not from his own free will; or, possibly, because (under the WK Mantle) he himself was a "Supernatural" influence.
My bet, though, is that Lasciel was the Guilty Party here; that she's still got some sort of hooks into Harry.
vincentric:
It wasn't a case of the WK mantle taking over Harry in a moment of rage, it was Harry embracing the rage and becoming the mantle.
The sword burned Harry in this case because he is a Supernatural now. The mantle gives him several powers and he has the fae vulnerability to iron. The sword did what was necessary to defend Rudy from the Winter Knight but only enough to shock Harry out of the bad choice he made.
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