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If E=K: A different way to look at this idea

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Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on May 17, 2023, 01:22:27 AM ---Simplicity huh? Let's see
1 cowl is Justin, it's the simplest and best connection. Especially given the thralldom theory that's the main running for Elaine. This also solves any problems from there, he could have compelled her at some point. And considering the time gaps in fairie, it could have gone entirely unnoticed.

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Pretty much this.^^

As for Harry being able to track Elaine, I think Harry learned the basics of scrying and/or thaumaturgy from Justin. It's one of Harry's chief skills (he claims), although he admittedly hardly does it anymore. But even if Justin didn't teach him it, Ebenezar likely would have. In order to be a White Council wizard, Harry needed a baseline level of knowledge, and Ebenezar would have made sure he was educated enough. He even wrote a book on the basics which according to Harry most young wizards read as part of their education.

But if Cowl is Justin, he would know exactly the skills Harry would employ to track them, and be quite able to throw him off. And this assume Justin doesn't have a deal with some big demon or something like that to hide himself. Even if Cowl isn't Justin, he still would have the skill and resources to hide himself and Kumori from Harry.

If E=K, she would also know how Harry might search for her and be able to employ counter-measures. Not to mention, if she did in fact run to Summer, she could well have been shielded from Harry by them.

To answer the questions about the events immediately following Justin's apparent demise, one would need to know more information. That said, we know Warden's are capable of tracking dark magic and given Justin was a Warden, his absence would have been noted. Also, Ebenezar was looking for Harry - Morgan tells us that Eb and the Wardens were looking for Harry (because the Council wanted to keep tabs on him - read the Morgan microfiction entry "Journal") while Justin "adopted" (read: kidnapped) him. So I suspect it wouldn't have been long after the duel that the Wardens would have found Harry. Especially since a Walker was involved. Likely the Gatekeeper might have sensed such things. Perhaps by that point they knew of Justin's betrayal and descent into darkness.

Melriken:
I think you are short selling the Gatekeeper saying Jim wouldn't use the same trick twice...

Of course the Gatekeeper would use the same trick twice, and many more... it's a good trick, the real question is why doesn't the Gatekeeper detect Black Magic and send someone after it more often... but an Outsider trying to kill an apprentice wizard and that apprentice turning it back on the master and then killing that master wizard (a former warden) is exactly the kind of thing the Gatekeeper would get involved in and Jim would use that.

Also if E=K then S=C or J=C (likely S) so E likely knew C before J died and likely C helped hide E...

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Melriken on May 17, 2023, 05:22:43 PM ---but an Outsider trying to kill an apprentice wizard and that apprentice turning it back on the master and then killing that master wizard (a former warden) is exactly the kind of thing the Gatekeeper would get involved in and Jim would use that.

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I don't doubt Harry's actions made a lot of noise ... but I don't think the Walker was making a serious shot at his life at that point. From the unclouded memory flashback in GS, it was pretty clearly trying to goad him into using magic for violence.  It got more than it was bargaining for with setting a gas pump on fire, but if it had wanted him dead, it could have done it easily.

I'm also not even sure Justin was really the one who sent it, for that matter. I think Harry might have that assumption wrong.

The_Sibelis:

--- Quote from: OutsideIn on May 19, 2023, 05:11:17 AM ---Cowl isn't Justin.
Evidence in verbal exchange with evil bob
Zero familiarity in my opinion.

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even outside of Justin it's very common for people to point out his familiarity with what Bob was and what he knew. Cowl knew not only of Bob but that Bob would have enough of the details of the hallow for him to perform it without the Word itself. If you're talking familiarity as in acquaintance by word of speech, I wouldn't expect him to have that sort of relationship with what he'd consider a computer.

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on May 18, 2023, 11:35:02 PM ---I don't doubt Harry's actions made a lot of noise ... but I don't think the Walker was making a serious shot at his life at that point. From the unclouded memory flashback in GS, it was pretty clearly trying to goad him into using magic for violence.  It got more than it was bargaining for with setting a gas pump on fire, but if it had wanted him dead, it could have done it easily.

I'm also not even sure Justin was really the one who sent it, for that matter. I think Harry might have that assumption wrong.

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indeed. Harry said it himself somewhere in there about teaching a young wizard to use magic for violence, and HWWBH certainly taught him a key detail he's kept faith with since then, it's for fighting back against the monsters. Funny detail that it was probably the gas tank fire that actually did anything to him at all.

Mira:

--- Quote ---However, that creates a problem that some readers might claim precludes Elaine from being Kumori.  After Harry killed Justin DuMorne, Elaine ran away and found sanctuary with the Summer Court, or more specifically with Aurora.  Plus, in Summer Knight, Harry told Elaine that he had searched for her.  I think he said, "I searched for you in fire and water."  So Harry used magical means in an attempt find Elaine, but because she was hiding in the Nevernever Harry's searches were futile.  If Elaine was hiding all that time, how could she have met Cowl?

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Let me say right now that I agree, I don't believe that Elaine is Kumori. However you will remember in the caves of the Raith Estate in White Night when Harry and Cowl had a little confrontation, Cowl entered and left via a way though a very nasty part of the Nevernever bringing a group of nasties with him.  That says he may have spent some time there making friends.. During that time, while improbable, it is possible that Elaine met him there.

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