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Fallout of E=K
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 30, 2023, 03:07:06 PM ---Nemesis is an Outsider, as are the Corner Hounds.
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Lash emphasized the Walkers as extraordinary foes, even among Outsiders; I would not presume them to have a "13 bodies" rule just because Cornerhounds do.
Melriken:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 29, 2023, 02:36:02 AM ---Why are we not assuming Elaine is alive? Last she was seen was helping the Paranet.
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I was talking with someone who thought Kumori was dead and had died in Deadbeat in the backwash of the failed Dark Hallow, we have seen Elaine since then, but I just wanted to avoid any conversation in that direction...
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 29, 2023, 02:36:02 AM ---If Harry learns Elaine is Kumori, it will only add to his trauma. Given Harry's history...that makes it more likely.
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This is the piece of evidence that most points to it being Elaine to me, there just aren't that many women who are tall enough to hold a knife to Harry's throat and he cares about enough to be hurt finding out they are Kumori...
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 29, 2023, 02:36:02 AM ---I am not sure I agree that she is shaping the Paranet into some sort of weapon, except perhaps in terms of information gathering (which is powerful enough in it's own right). Not to mention, she clearly has the names and locations of the members (which gives her plenty of power over them, and could sell them out or have them eliminated if she chose).
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Not a weapon, but something to steal the Council's secrets and work against them with... yes, that seems the best use of the Paranet to hurt (or help, but lets be honest...) Harry.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 29, 2023, 02:36:02 AM ---My personal theory is that Elaine is Enthralled in such a complex series of spells she hardly knows she is a thrall (this was explained by Bob when discussing how Enthrallment works in Blood Rites I believe, where Harry specifically likens fine Enthralling to what Justin did to Elaine...the second book Elaine shows up in - a long-term hint). This of course is lends further weight to the whole Cowl = Justin theory, given Justin was the first to Enthrall her.
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My Personal theory at this point is that Simon had Enthralled Justin, Justin did Elaine and tried to do Harry but it wasn't truly who Justin was, so he was fighting against it and that tipped the scales when Harry fought back, Justin's heart wasn't in the fight so his magic didn't quite work right and that gave Harry enough advantage to win. Simon may not be the head of the snake either but I think Simon survived (caused) Archangel and is Cowl.
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 29, 2023, 02:36:02 AM ---Further, I think Elaine would likely be trying to warn Harry and reveal herself in the process. But it would cost her. I think Harry would be further torn between trying to save her (Harry's biggest weakness is his white knight tendencies) and being angry at her. Long term I suspect he probably ends up killing her like Susan, or she dies to save him. I can't see her surviving the series. She might help him kill Cowl though, so there is something in that potentially.
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Agreed, especially if she is enthralled, she likely breaks that and protects him, dying in the process.
g33k:
Honestly I don't see the E=K theory, simply because we know Aurora got her claws into Elaine.
I cannot see Cowl -- even if he is "Nameless" the demgod of discord, as some theorize -- being able to implement an enthrallment, or even just an Oath compelling obedience, without the Summer Lady noticing.
The_Sibelis:
I don't think Elaine actually knows she's a thrall at all. Bob mentioned enthralling someone so finely they don't even know it. I think this why only kumori asks about his hand. Look at it like this, during DB, Justin/cowl had come to her and "activated" her thralldom. After DB, when kumori asks him about his hand, she's ordered not to remember what she's done as kumori. But it's like Mab hiding Harry's blasting rod, she can't even touch the edges of those memories. An since cowl didn't know she found out about Harry's hand as kumori, she's later unable to actually acknowledge why she doesn't need to ask about it beyond,"the Michael Jackson look". Like, she never even directly addresses the burn. Just obliquely mentions it. Something we've seen similar of out of fae programming.
--- Quote from: g33k on May 01, 2023, 06:14:33 PM ---I cannot see Cowl -- even if he is "Nameless" the demgod of discord, as some theorize
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wait, what?🤔🧐
Melriken:
--- Quote from: g33k on May 01, 2023, 06:14:33 PM ---Honestly I don't see the E=K theory, simply because we know Aurora got her claws into Elaine.
I cannot see Cowl -- even if he is "Nameless" the demgod of discord, as some theorize -- being able to implement an enthrallment, or even just an Oath compelling obedience, without the Summer Lady noticing.
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It would be Simon doing an enthrallment that wasn't absolute or oppressive, just something that tips scales here and there and hiding it behind Justin's previous work keeping in mind that Simon taught Justin everything he knew.
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