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Harry's Moving Island of Avalon

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Melriken:
I like the idea that Demonreach is Avalon, and is Atlantis, and... other similar myths... it's a VERY Dresden Files thing to do...

Yuillegan:
Agreed, although it can't be Atlantis given that Maeve says in Cold Days whilst standing on Demonreach that she intends to unleash destruction that hadn't been seen since the Fall of Atlantis...and one would think there would be no Demonreach then, not to mention surely she might recognise where she was standing. Also, pretty sure Atlantis was big enough to hold a massive city. Probably looking at an island the size of Crete or Cyprus.

Melriken:

--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 18, 2023, 05:57:21 AM ---Agreed, although it can't be Atlantis given that Maeve says in Cold Days whilst standing on Demonreach that she intends to unleash destruction that hadn't been seen since the Fall of Atlantis...and one would think there would be no Demonreach then, not to mention surely she might recognise where she was standing. Also, pretty sure Atlantis was big enough to hold a massive city. Probably looking at an island the size of Crete or Cyprus.
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Maeve may not be speaking from knowledge of Atlantis but rather from knowledge of the myth of Atlantis...

Demonreach is the most magically advanced construct we know of... a group of wizards studying it and learning from it could have caused the legends of Atlantis (and its advanced technology). And Demonreach could change size as easily as location or even lost size in the event that destroyed Atlantis (it may have originally been the size of the rocky shallows surrounding it currently and the damage that was caused in the destruction of Atlantis caused the grassy plains of Atlantis to become rocky reefs on Demonsreach.

I am not sold 100% but if Odin can be Santa Claus... Demonreach can be Atlantis.

Cthoniq:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 05, 2023, 11:16:34 AM ---The Great Lakes were only formed by glaciation 14,000 years ago, suggesting that Demonreach the island would not have physically existed at this point, perhaps Merlin decided this would be the new Supermax

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I can't find the WoJ for it, but somewhere Jim said that The Gatekeeper wasn't the one who caused Daemonreach's limp, that was the glacier that carved out the lake, implying that Daemonreach is older than the lake.


--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 04, 2023, 09:06:28 PM ---I agree that it likely exists in multiple points of spacetime, given it was made that way (five at least), and also due to the power that five has magically speaking in the series.

I am not sure I agree it actually moves around - although that would make logical sense - I am not sure it's actually the case in the series. Simply put, from what we have seen of magic, it's incredibly hard to do something like physically move an island (borderline impossible) for a human. So unless a Dragon (capital D - like Ferrovax) or something of that order or above got involved, it would not be possible. Even so, it seems like they still use regular physics to aid them rather than simply being like a Minecraft editor. Given Jim said something about Dragons being told to "divert rivers" and "split continents". 

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Still though, I like the idea of a moving island. Would certainly have been more convenient for the Original Merlin, and make more sense why he is connected to a random island in America. That said, still doesn't explain how or why it moved there from wherever it was.

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I probably didn't explain it very well, but my idea was that it had 5 static locations, that it could be "expressed" through one at a time (or possibly all 5 at once, if you were trying to bind everything on a planet at once, but that's a BAT crack theory), thus the question about different disappearing islands located throughout the world. Sort of 5 different quantum superposition states, and the warden can affect the probability that the island's matter will be expressed in each location. Need to bind something in North America? *button push* Demonreach. Baddies acting up in Europe? *push* Avalon. Titans crawling out of the Mediterranean? *push* Circe's Island. The island isn't physically up and flying or floating to another location, it's just existing in 5 locations at the same time, and is accessible from those locations at the Warden's behest. As far as power requirements go, I'm sure all 5 locations could be on leyline nexuses, and there's a big ole dark energy battery in the Well.


--- Quote from: Avernite on April 16, 2023, 02:31:38 PM ---I do recall, I think in SG, that Harry remarked he wasn't really sure hewas still on the island when descending deep enough down - finding the depth implausible.

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It could be like Maeve and Aurora's courts in SK, where the physical location of the entrance is at a static point in the real world, but the space that entrance leads to is either in the nevernever or "between", since Harry always comments on how things feel different in the Nevernever when he goes through a portal, and never says that about their courts. But he DOES suggest that the physical space of the court doesn't make sense in the location it's supposedly occupying in the real world (giant ballroom in a commuter tunnel, tropical forest on top of a skyscraper). The Well could be another "between" space, with entrances in the mortal world. Perhaps 5 entrances on 5 different islands?

Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Cthoniq on April 22, 2023, 06:28:16 PM ---
It could be like Maeve and Aurora's courts in SK, where the physical location of the entrance is at a static point in the real world, but the space that entrance leads to is either in the nevernever or "between", since Harry always comments on how things feel different in the Nevernever when he goes through a portal, and never says that about their courts. But he DOES suggest that the physical space of the court doesn't make sense in the location it's supposedly occupying in the real world (giant ballroom in a commuter tunnel, tropical forest on top of a skyscraper). The Well could be another "between" space, with entrances in the mortal world. Perhaps 5 entrances on 5 different islands?

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or maybe he was thinking Lake Michigan is 100 feet deep, or whatever, and he had descended further than that, so, being beneath the lake itself, it is no longer an island? Just another piece of the earth's crust?

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