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Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Mira on February 25, 2023, 08:21:50 PM ---  It is my opinion that Elaine brought the infection to the Summer Court.

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Justin was Nemfected and nemfected her? maybe it even was why she COULD flee into the Nevernever. I don't get the impression Harry was that capable even fighting Kravos to jump out of a burning house. Yet Elaine did.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 27, 2023, 02:31:01 AM ---Justin was Nemfected and nemfected her? maybe it even was why she COULD flee into the Nevernever. I don't get the impression Harry was that capable even fighting Kravos to jump out of a burning house. Yet Elaine did.

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  I wouldn't be shocked if Justin wasn't working with Nemesis somehow and it all backfired when it turned out that Harry was star born.  Have to go back and reread the section in Ghost Story when young Harry battles HWWB, there may be some hints there.  Supposedly Harry had always thought that it was Justin that sent HWWB after him, but from that conversation when he fights him, not so much.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 27, 2023, 02:31:01 AM --- Justin was Nemfected and nemfected her?
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Maybe Justin was Nemfected, maybe not.  But I think he was working with Outsiders, summoning them, etc.  I expect one of the vectors for Nemfection is to get a willing summoner to provide a new host for them.

I don't think one Outsider can summon others:  it takes a mortal will (and mortal Free Will) to invite Outsiders across the Threshold of Creation.  But -- much as infernal demons might bargain for souls & True Names -- I suspect Outsiders bargain for new entries into Creation.

Elaine claims she was bound by Justin as a thrall... but what if she was instead subjected to a ritual of Nemfection?  Or both (doesn't have to be either/or).

apgrey:
Ref:  https://www.paranetonline.com/index.php/topic,53049.msg2318077.html#msg2318077

  The above is a post I made a while back on a similar subject.

  It has been suggested before that perhaps the relationship between Justin DuMorne and He Who Walks Behind is not what Harry thought it was.  It is possible the HWWB was the one in charge.

APG

Mira:

--- Quote ---Elaine claims she was bound by Justin as a thrall... but what if she was instead subjected to a ritual of Nemfection?  Or both (doesn't have to be either/or).

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  A very good point, and I believe that Elaine could very well be an innocent victim in this.  1) How would she know since at the time of her enthrallment she had no clue as to what Nemesis was. Does she even know now? Since we learned back when Harry and Titania had their little "conversation," that the name of the enemy was strictly on a need to know basis or something to that effect.  2) Going back to Justine for a moment, did she agree willingly to infection/possession of an Outsider and or Nemesis infection?

Which takes us back to Justin.  From young Harry's conversation with HWWB that he finally remembered in Ghost Story, it sounds like Justin was being used as well. I think it highlights just how dangerous Nemesis really is.  Apparently it has the ability to get in a being's head and manipulate it's weakness to it's advantage though infection.

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