The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 13, 2023, 06:08:09 PM --- I think that depends on what was promised to her. Just a tin foil hat thought, but what if Bianca
was infected? I don't remember it saying that vampires are excluded from infection.. Not saying that it does and I missed it.. ::) ...
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I don't see that it matters to a Nemesis-agent what was promised to Bianca: she's too unreliable, not trustworthy. I suspect she was -- in part -- directed to engage Harry and neutralize him (turned, Ramp-addicted & enslaved, or dead) as part of a test, to see if she did have the power & finesse to handle a powerful (if young) White Council wizard. Remember Ortega's role as an "observer" -- both to witness violations under the Accords, but also I suspect to study Bianca's suitability.
OTOH -- borrowing your tinfoil to don a hat of my own -- if Bianca was Nemfected, then she becomes "trustworthy" and could surely have been a trusted avenue to further Nemfection!
I don't see that we have any real "information" either confirming or denying that Ramps are/aren't subject to Nemfection, however (nor whether Bianca herself was/wasn't). One could read the text and find passages to ascribe such meanings to... but that opens the door to almost anything.
FWIW, I'll re-mention my own WAG -- every bit as tinfoiled as yours (if not moreso)! -- that the Lords of Outer Night are somehow related to the beings at the Outer Gates.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I don't see that it matters to a Nemesis-agent what was promised to Bianca: she's too unreliable, not trustworthy.
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Not promised, infected.. There is a difference.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 14, 2023, 12:47:30 PM --- Not promised, infected.. There is a difference.
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Indeed! And I addressed that, later... largely agreeing with you. Yeah, I think Nemfection would assure loyalty to Nemesis' cause!
But I was responding to your own up-front phrasing: "I think that depends on what was promised to her." Nemesis would suffice; "promises" would not.
Ortega, I think, was pure-Ramp, ignorant of Nemesis' presence. He was checking Bianca to make sure she was worthy of the honors she had received, and evaluating her for future & higher elevation.
Mavra & Cowl are the likely ones to be Nemesis agents, at that party.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 15, 2023, 01:07:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mira on February 14, 2023, 12:47:30 PM --- Not promised, infected.. There is a difference. [/quote
Indeed! And I addressed that, later... largely agreeing with you. Yeah, I think Nemfection would assure loyalty to Nemesis' cause!
But I was responding to your own up-front phrasing: "I think that depends on what was promised to her." Nemesis would suffice; "promises" would not.
Ortega, I think, was pure-Ramp, ignorant of Nemesis' presence. He was checking Bianca to make sure she was worthy of the honors she had received, and evaluating her for future & higher elevation.
Mavra & Cowl are the likely ones to be Nemesis agents, at that party.
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??? :-\ You need to fix your quote box.. Bianca may not even be aware that she is infected and being used.
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g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 15, 2023, 05:42:34 AM --- ??? :-\ You need to fix your quote box..
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Yeah, I had a WTF moment reading it myself! :o Sorry 'bout that. :-\
--- Quote from: Mira on February 15, 2023, 05:42:34 AM --- Bianca may not even be aware that she is infected and being used.
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That's an interesting thought. I think we see that in late-stage Nemfection, the victim is usually aware of the possession; but maybe not always: it isn't at all clear to me that Maeve understood this. But it's entirely possible -- much as early-Shadow Harry had worse anger issues, but no communication/awareness of the "Shadow" entity -- that early-Nemfection victims are similarly unaware, while still being subject to the Nemfection urges/prompting.
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