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Why is Mab trying to change Harry?
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on February 03, 2023, 09:16:42 PM ---Mab thrives on conflict & violence; all of Winter does.
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I'd say it is better said Mab thrives IN conflict and violence - but she chooses her spots. Mother Winter was more likely TESTING Harry than trying to kill him - like when Mab set her tests during Harry's recovery. Smothering him with a pillow? That's a test. The Summer Lady went flamethrower on him - THAT is an attempt to kill. Mab is a creature of rules, too. Mab is all about being READY for war. Even her war a the Gates is a defensive one. I wonder how her relationship is with the Gatekeeper? I'd be interested to see THAT dynamic...
Ed0517:
--- Quote ---Bianca invited Harry to her party.. He wasn't going to go, then Susan stole the invitation and he screwed up and lost Michael's Sword to Lea. He and Michael had to go to the party, from that moment on it was a set up,if not before.
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--- Quote from: g33k on February 04, 2023, 04:55:26 AM ---I suspect it was already a set up.
I'm not sure whose set up it was; I suspect Mab, tho -- Lea's boss -- having Lea get Harry motivated to go to Bianca's party. I remain convinced that Mab was deeply interested in recruiting a Starborn -- Harry -- as her next WK. So Mab was both testing his mettle, and tempering him in the crucible of violence & confusion.
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Want to turn up the volume in the conspiracy? Rashid Saw something. He reminded Mab or Lea that the Council should make an appearance, it is a political point - and who is in town? Harry.... (cue "Burning down the house")
Remember, Noah was only a conspiracy theorist - until it started to rain.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on February 04, 2023, 06:02:48 PM ---My theory on Rashid is that because of his advanced foresight he will sometimes vote against Harry’s apparent interests to secure in the long-term what is in Harry’s best interests.
He may have deliberately NOT attended the meeting on Harry’s expulsion so as to facilitate it,
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Plausible deniability - his position is still unknown.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on February 05, 2023, 09:39:12 AM ---
I'd say it is better said Mab thrives IN conflict and violence - but she chooses her spots. Mother Winter was more likely TESTING Harry than trying to kill him - like when Mab set her tests during Harry's recovery. Smothering him with a pillow? That's a test. The Summer Lady went flamethrower on him - THAT is an attempt to kill. Mab is a creature of rules, too. Mab is all about being READY for war. Even her war a the Gates is a defensive one. I wonder how her relationship is with the Gatekeeper? I'd be interested to see THAT dynamic...
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Yes, she is about being ready for war, because an apocalypse is coming to the world's neighborhood.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2023, 05:42:00 AM --- I doubt it was Mab. Remember Harry's total fear of Lea at that point? He was afraid she was going to turn him into a hound ...
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But fear is an intense motivator, a great lever to move someone to action.
And Mab is a master at manipulation; and Lea is Mab's Handmaiden...
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2023, 05:42:00 AM --- ... At the party Lea gave Bianca the Sword, and Bianca gifted Lea with the Knife that Cowl had presented to her.. Or someone fitting Cowl's description. The Knife that turned out to be infected with Nemesis. Which in turn infected Lea, infected Maeve and led to her death, and may have tried to infect Mab until she figured out what was going on.. No, it wasn't Mab that set up Harry.
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Nemesis is incredibly hard to detect; I don't think Mab knew the hidden peril at Bianca's court.
Hell, I don't think Bianca herself understood it; she was a pawn on the board of much stronger players, playing a much deeper game.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2023, 05:42:00 AM --- ... Here is my theory, I have posted it before. When we first meet Lea, she appeared to me to be a bit power hungry ...
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More than "a bit," I think! ;)
But note that Mab likes her that way; it's probably a major component of why she picked Lea as her "handmaiden." Lea & her ambition is a key part of Mab's own regimen to keep herself at the top of her game.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 04, 2023, 05:42:00 AM --- ... At the party Lea gave Bianca the Sword, and Bianca gifted Lea with the Knife that Cowl had presented to her.. Or someone fitting Cowl's description ... When she got hold of the Sword, she made a bargain with Bianca, the Holy Sword, for the Knife. She thought that the Knife would help her overthrow Mab. I don't think Lea had any idea that the Knife was infected, but I do believe that Bianca knew ...
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I don't think there was an overt sword-for-knife "bargain."
Remember, Bianca didn't have the knife when Lea took the sword. I think it was when Lea gained Amoracchius that Cowl let Bianca know he could provide her with a gift commensurate with the one she was about to be offered.
I don't doubt Lea was planning on getting something from Bianca; but she may have been open to any roughly-equal-exchange (bringing the Sword entitled her to receive a very strong gift in return! (recall that Winter Law requires Lea to expect this (or exact retribution); the Ramps will know this, and even blind-with-ambition-Bianca would think twice about earning the enmity of the Leanansidhe)), or Lea may have had something else in mind, some item from Bianca's treasury. I think the cues in that scene suggest that Lea was a bit surprised -- and more than a little pleased -- at what she got.
But frankly, I think Bianca was too low-level to be told about Nemesis, and the true nature of the curse on the blade. She just knew it as the Athame of Morgana LeFey, an incredibly-potent magical implement; that's enough for Bianca (it was enough for Lea, when she realized she had Morgana's Athame). Nemesis was still hidden. Remember: Ferrovax himself was there, and almost certainly would have taken exception to Nemesis or any other Outsider-influence (WoJ puts the Great Dragons as part of fine-tuning the world -- on the level of raising mountain ranges etc -- which puts them pretty firmly into the anti-Outsider camp).
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