The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Mira:
--- Quote ---I always presumed the whole "steak dinner" thing was part of Kim attempting to downplay the importance of the thing.
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Very possible, but it also underscores her ignorance of what she is dealing with. Not only that, but her total disregard for the responsibility that comes with that kind of power.
--- Quote ---I continue to think, however, that the most-likely reason for MacFinn's reticence with regard to Harry is that Harry is WC. I think the family lore is probably that WC soften ends in the Wardens, then the Loup goes wild, there are deaths & other mayhem, and eventually one or more Loup's / heirs get killed, until the Curse passes to some sufficiently-obscure cadet branch that the Wardens don't find it for a while.
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My problem with that theory is unless MacFinn was breaking the Laws of Magic, I doubt that the WC would notice him. Now it could be that the wizard that originally built the circle got into trouble for it, was tried, and was executed for that and number of other rule bendings.. Then I could see MacFinn hesitant about going to a full wizard. But Kim? She seems to be barely Paranet level, at least at the point were we meet her.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 05, 2022, 12:04:18 PM ---Well, the circle that Uriel said wouldn't do squat was one that Harry did while he was flat on his broken back in Changes. It was more mental than physical, it wasn't the same circle as Finn had. As to having one like that in his lab, think he answered that question when he wouldn't show Kim how to make it, draws too much attention from the Wardens because of what can be summoned with one. Also through out the series he has managed to contain some pretty powerful beings with an ordinary chalk one.
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Uriel is magnitudes of power above the beings Harry caged. He scares MAB. She won't speak his NAME she's so scared. Plus, didn't we have WOJ on a multidimensional continuum? Even multiple Mothers. One unique entity we have seen. Uriel. You think TWG is going to let creatures have enough power to cage HIS top spook? Uriel walks.
--- Quote ---Women have been trying to buy men off with food since the first mastodon steak.... works quite a bit.
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--- Quote ---It is a bit more complicated than that, trust me..
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I said TRYING. Didn't say it always worked. But it sure has in some cases
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 05, 2022, 05:33:41 PM ---
I continue to think, however, that the most-likely reason for MacFinn's reticence with regard to Harry is that Harry is WC. I think the family lore is probably that WC soften ends in the Wardens, then the Loup goes wild, there are deaths & other mayhem, and eventually one or more Loup's / heirs get killed, until the Curse passes to some sufficiently-obscure cadet branch that the Wardens don't find it for a while.
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that would seem awfully short-sighted, considering they know that they need a heavy duty circle for the loup. Letting any Tom, Dick, or Kim try to fix it? They seem responsible, considering the time between outbreaks (if the French outbreak was even them) - why not reach out?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Uriel is magnitudes of power above the beings Harry caged. He scares MAB. She won't speak his NAME she's so scared. Plus, didn't we have WOJ on a multidimensional continuum? Even multiple Mothers. One unique entity we have seen. Uriel. You think TWG is going to let creatures have enough power to cage HIS top spook? Uriel walks.
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I would tend to agree, but at the same time as far as the series goes at any rate, this circle has never been used for anything more dangerous than a Loop. However while a Loop is real bad ass I don't remember it actually having power like a demi-god or an archangel.. So was Harry right about what he said about the circle? Remains to be seen, or at least we haven't seen the evidence of it as of yet.
--- Quote ---I said TRYING. Didn't say it always worked. But it sure has in some cases
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I know, my problem I guess is getting information to build this circle is a matter of life and death, and she is trying to put Harry in a good mood by a steak dinner? Maybe its just me, but that picture seems all wrong.
--- Quote ---that would seem awfully short-sighted, considering they know that they need a heavy duty circle for the loup. Letting any Tom, Dick, or Kim try to fix it? They seem responsible, considering the time between outbreaks (if the French outbreak was even them) - why not reach out?
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Which, in my opinion is the weakness of the whole story line. Maybe it is true of most fantasy, one shouldn't try to think too deeply or logically about the story line. This story line really suffers if one stops and asks," wait a minute, that doesn't make sense.."
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 06, 2022, 05:58:02 AM --- I would tend to agree, but at the same time as far as the series goes at any rate, this circle has never been used for anything more dangerous than a Loop. However while a Loop is real bad ass I don't remember it actually having power like a demi-god or an archangel.. So was Harry right about what he said about the circle? Remains to be seen, or at least we haven't seen the evidence of it as of yet.
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Yeah, the biggest BAs we have seen circled are Mab, Titania, and the Erlking.
Plus, we have to separate Word of Harry from Word of Jim. Harry may THINK it holds archangels. The WC also thought the Archive was on the level with the Fairy Ladies, and we have seen she is well above that. Harry can be just wrong. Isn't he the one who said Uriel could undo worlds... and Uriel upgrades to "Galaxies"? That's a few orders of magnitude....
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