The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 04, 2022, 01:53:04 AM --- Maybe, but more afraid of them than himself if the circle isn't properly reconstructed? So he turns to a total amateur? Yeah, I think it possible most likely probable that Listens to Wind knew and knows Tera West. His people most likely know Tera West, which when you think of it seems odd that she didn't insist on him going to Listens to Wind or go to him herself. There is trust there and I doubt that Listens would turn Finn into the WC. Actually, why would he? Finn wasn't breaking any of the Laws, he was just trying to keep himself and everyone else safe.
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And the fact the last outbreak was 400 years ago makes you think they have been pretty responsible about it.
--- Quote ---As a group we've been struggling with this for years. Maybe the problem is this was Jim's second novel, and though the opening premise sound good, it doesn't stand up to logic or common sense.
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Yeah, probably best to write it off as a lack of continuity. Just like Harry originally was described as tallm, but now he's 6'9"... who had the impression in the early books he was a full foot taller than a lot of men?
--- Quote ---Which is when you think of it a bit insulting to Harry. Yeah, he was broke and likes a good steak dinner as well as the next person, but did she think he could be bought off that cheaply or at all?
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Women have been trying to buy men off with food since the first mastodon steak.... works quite a bit.
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--- Quote --- I have this hypocritical question about how to build a circle strong enough to hold demi-gods and archangels,
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This is likely going to be one of the inconsistencies. They may have thought it at the time, but i bet Mr. Sunshine would walk thru it like a summer rain. In fact, why wouldn't Harry have a circle like that in his lab, then? He's had the Erlking mad at him. He;s even circled Uriel, though Uriel said it wouldn't do squat.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 05, 2022, 03:53:06 AM ---I think we should presume the MacFinn lineage was in possession of the major Circle since that 1600's date.
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Well, something. It may have been different circles. Or, could this thing be caged? Could it be contained in a Highlands dungeon in heavy chains and 2 inch thick bars? Such cells don't travel easily, though
--- Quote ---That "outbreak" (in the 1600's) might have represented a discontinuity in Circle-possession & family-lore. The main family line may have died out, and they were unclear who would inherit. Then they had to wait to find out who wolfed-out, and maybe it was a very distant relationship. Eventually the horror story reached the family-in-the-know, and they rushed circle & family-records to the site...
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.... I am thinking possibly the curse follows the blood, not just the name.... the heir might have met some sweet French girl in his travels - perhaps aboard to study - before he was ever betrothed, and left her something to remember him by. He became the loup later, and when he passed, his legitimate son expected to receive the curse... and didn't... and the creature was free to prey until the family hunted him down.
(all of which presumes the 1600's Loup (as mentioned by Bob) was a Loup of the MacFinn line, and not some other Loup; maybe the MacFinn's were safely under control through this time ... But I presume Jim wouldn't have written Bob's line to be irrelevant, so...)
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Ed0517:
ah, shouldn't be a Highlands castle... got thrown by Mac, which is more typically Scottish.. Irish more commonly Mc. But it does happen on both sides. They are closer to each other than the Sassenach....
Mira:
--- Quote ---This is likely going to be one of the inconsistencies. They may have thought it at the time, but i bet Mr. Sunshine would walk thru it like a summer rain. In fact, why wouldn't Harry have a circle like that in his lab, then? He's had the Erlking mad at him. He;s even circled Uriel, though Uriel said it wouldn't do squat.
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Well, the circle that Uriel said wouldn't do squat was one that Harry did while he was flat on his broken back in Changes. It was more mental than physical, it wasn't the same circle as Finn had. As to having one like that in his lab, think he answered that question when he wouldn't show Kim how to make it, draws too much attention from the Wardens because of what can be summoned with one. Also through out the series he has managed to contain some pretty powerful beings with an ordinary chalk one.
--- Quote ---Women have been trying to buy men off with food since the first mastodon steak.... works quite a bit.
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It is a bit more complicated than that, trust me..
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 04, 2022, 01:53:04 AM --- ... Which is when you think of it a bit insulting to Harry. Yeah, he was broke and likes a good steak dinner as well as the next person, but did she think he could be bought off that cheaply or at all?
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I always presumed the whole "steak dinner" thing was part of Kim attempting to downplay the importance of the thing.
We MacFinn's backing, she could easily have dropped thousands of $$$ onto Harry as a "consulting fee" (since MacFinn was trusting her to do the work, he'd likely have trusted her that Harry was qualfied for the fee) ... but that would have shown the request to be something substantive, instead of just a "theoretical" exercise.
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I continue to think, however, that the most-likely reason for MacFinn's reticence with regard to Harry is that Harry is WC. I think the family lore is probably that going to a WC wizard often ends (sooner or later) in a Warden action, then the Loup goes wild, there are deaths & other mayhem, and eventually one or more Loup's / heirs get killed, until the Curse passes to some sufficiently-obscure cadet branch that the Wardens don't find it for a while.
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