The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 03, 2022, 12:55:41 PM --- Finn is no bumbling fool, and his "little problem" isn't something he knows little about, his life and others depends upon it... He'd know as much as possible about it. Kim knows nothing, she just thinks she does,that's the problem.
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Kim knows a little - she knew the outer circle. MacFinn may not know too much - amd Kim had access to a WC wizard to ask questions of. He didn't
--- Quote --- Then he was either a total ignorant fool easily duped, or desperate.
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I think he IS desperate... [/quote]
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Except it never was about money with her, that wasn't what she was after. Notice, her first move is to try and bribe Harry with a steak dinner..
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Her first act is to bribe a man she knows has been broke and not eating well with one of Mac's steaks... not even a sandwich, the steak dinner - she's hitting him in a weak spot now...
Just came to me - in a later book, doesn't Listens to Wind pass along Tera's regards to Harry? I guess it is possible she met him later, but did she know him at this time? If he asked the gf, she knew serious heavy hitters... he didn't ask her? She didn't push? Or is MacFinn afraid of the WC?
Mira:
--- Quote ---Just came to me - in a later book, doesn't Listens to Wind pass along Tera's regards to Harry? I guess it is possible she met him later, but did she know him at this time? If he asked the gf, she knew serious heavy hitters... he didn't ask her? She didn't push? Or is MacFinn afraid of the WC?
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Maybe, but more afraid of them than himself if the circle isn't properly reconstructed? So he turns to a total amateur? Yeah, I think it possible most likely probable that Listens to Wind knew and knows Tera West. His people most likely know Tera West, which when you think of it seems odd that she didn't insist on him going to Listens to Wind or go to him herself. There is trust there and I doubt that Listens would turn Finn into the WC. Actually, why would he? Finn wasn't breaking any of the Laws, he was just trying to keep himself and everyone else safe.
As a group we've been struggling with this for years. Maybe the problem is this was Jim's second novel, and though the opening premise sound good, it doesn't stand up to logic or common sense.
--- Quote ---Her first act is to bribe a man she knows has been broke and not eating well with one of Mac's steaks... not even a sandwich, the steak dinner - she's hitting him in a weak spot now...
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Which is when you think of it a bit insulting to Harry. Yeah, he was broke and likes a good steak dinner as well as the next person, but did she think he could be bought off that cheaply or at all? Just how she asks him, well I have this hypocritical question about how to build a circle strong enough to hold demi-gods and archangels, but now answer as to why she wants to build it.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 01, 2022, 05:58:15 PM --- ... Wonder if he checked with relatives? You'd think over the years they'd produce a back up circle.
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I suspect this isn't well known in the broader family. Too hard to keep it secret when too many know (cousin Jaimie tells his wife, who tells her twin-sister, who tells her husband, etc...)
The current "owner" of the curse probably -- mostly -- tries to keep his "heir" appraised. But sometimes there will be an asshole who doesn't care. Sometimes there won't be a clear, direct heir -- it may go to an obscure "cadet" branch of the family, even a long-lost by-blow (which is another way a family's accumulated "lore" could be lost to the person laboring under the curse).
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on December 04, 2022, 06:42:12 AM ---I suspect this isn't well known in the broader family. Too hard to keep it secret when too many know (cousin Jaimie tells his wife, who tells her twin-sister, who tells her husband, etc...)
The current "owner" of the curse probably -- mostly -- tries to keep his "heir" appraised. But sometimes there will be an asshole who doesn't care. Sometimes there won't be a clear, direct heir -- it may go to an obscure "cadet" branch of the family, even a long-lost by-blow (which is another way a family's accumulated "lore" could be lost to the person laboring under the curse).
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I just don't buy that, mainly because the results of ignorance is so deadly. According to Bob the last time there was a rampage by a Loop was in the 1600s, stuff like that isn't kept under wraps unless the family is well aware of it. Heck Finn himself couldn't functioned in the military of all places unless he knew the ins and outs of his curse.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 04, 2022, 11:05:43 AM ---I just don't buy that, mainly because the results of ignorance is so deadly. According to Bob the last time there was a rampage by a Loop was in the 1600s, stuff like that isn't kept under wraps unless the family is well aware of it. Heck Finn himself couldn't functioned in the military of all places unless he knew the ins and outs of his curse.
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I think we should presume the MacFinn lineage was in possession of the major Circle since that 1600's date.
If they were able to keep the circle, it seems to follow they likely have continuous family lore since that date, too.
That "outbreak" (in the 1600's) might have represented a discontinuity in Circle-possession & family-lore. The main family line may have died out, and they were unclear who would inherit. Then they had to wait to find out who wolfed-out, and maybe it was a very distant relationship. Eventually the horror story reached the family-in-the-know, and they rushed circle & family-records to the site...
(all of which presumes the 1600's Loup (as mentioned by Bob) was a Loup of the MacFinn line, and not some other Loup; maybe the MacFinn's were safely under control through this time ... But I presume Jim wouldn't have written Bob's line to be irrelevant, so...)
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