The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
So Fitz is...
Mira:
--- Quote ---Also, maybe the curse was laid by somebody the wizard was unwilling to cross; if it were Mab's curse -- or Odin's -- how much of a bribe would it take for you to be willing to earn their ire by lifting their decreed punishment?
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Maybe Odin, but St Patrick came to Ireland in 425, I think he predates Mab.
--- Quote ---Note, Chauncy explicitly is reporting the legend -- not the facts.
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Yeah, but I wouldn't hang my hat on that. Legend is often based on facts, either an event happens that gets exaggerated over time, or something is made up to explain a fact. Plus it might have been Chauncy's way of trying to trap Harry into giving him more personal information to hold over him. Harry didn't go for it, let's us not forget that shortly after that Chauncy danced around what happened to his mother and father, but wouldn't come clean until Harry put his soul more in peril by giving him more personal information. Harry didn't dare go further than he did, in spite of desperately wanting more information after Chauncy baited him to go further.
One more interesting factoid, Bob says that to kill a Loop, one needs inherited silver verses just any silver. That suggests two things, 1] making them much harder to kill than ordinary werewolves unless you are aware of that fact or get lucky because you melted down Aunt Mary's silver spoon to make bullets. 2] I think inherited is important since the curse is inherited, somehow the two are related.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 18, 2022, 12:18:06 PM --- Maybe Odin, but St Patrick came to Ireland in 425, I think he predates Mab.
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I think St.Patrick is entirely an Infernal deception, here.
--- Quote from: Mira on November 18, 2022, 12:18:06 PM ---
Yeah, but I wouldn't hang my hat on that. Legend is often based on facts, either an event happens that gets exaggerated over time, or something is made up to explain a fact...
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You may be correct that there is some fragment of genuine linkage; but it's not likely to be a "truth" as spoken by Chaunzaggoroth.
Chauncy reported a legend (when he almost certainly knew the genuine facts) and he later chose misleading phrasing when challenged on that point.
As a demon, he's a congenital liar.
St. Patrick (almost certainly) did NOT enact the MacFinn curse.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on November 18, 2022, 11:42:14 PM --- St. Patrick (almost certainly) did NOT enact the MacFinn curse.
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Aye! Cursing unborn innocent generations? Sounds more like an Orangeman trick...
Mira:
--- Quote ---Chauncy reported a legend (when he almost certainly knew the genuine facts) and he later chose misleading phrasing when challenged on that point.
As a demon, he's a congenital liar.
St. Patrick (almost certainly) did NOT enact the MacFinn curse.
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We don't know how misleading, but he was deliberately vague. However one point remained true,
it apparently was a curse that generational, and the victims of it could do little more than what Finn was already doing. I'd wage that it wasn't he who came up with that circle but one of his ancestors.
I doubt that Chauncy is a congenital liar. If he was not a true source of information, there would be no temptation to call him up by mortals putting their souls at risk. He is more like a version of the Fae, except he doesn't say he cannot lie, but he will make you pay dearly for every word.
Since we don't know why the curse was put on the MacFinn clan until the end of time, we cannot say that St Patrick didn't do it.. He may have had a good reason to do it, and if he was able to rid Ireland of snakes, he'd also have the power to do that kind of curse. Having said that, more than likely there is another part to it that is missing, a way to atone and lift the curse. St Patrick wouldn't have done the first part without the second.
Conspiracy Theorist:
St Patrick would have been clerical magician, his power comes through channeling the White God in the same way a Knight does, not internally like a Wizard. From what we seen of the Knights the laying of a curse does not seem within their bailiwick, but breaking it might.
The likelihood is not that St Patrick laid the curse, but he might have tried (but failed) to break it. Sainthood is designated by the Church not the White God. Michael and Father Forthill are not Saints, but clearly they are designated agents of the White God, one the former Knight who clearly retains the White God’s favour, and the other given special protection by the Angel of Death. St Patrick we don’t know.
That likely means an powerful entity with a wolf fetish and a grudge against mankind. My bet is that it was the Morrigan an Irish Warrior Wolf Goddess who laid the curse and it should be noted McFinn “turned” whilst serving in Vietnam. It may be a component of the curse that it’s bearers are drawn to war becoming the ultimate berserker on the battlefield. Any child of McFinn may find himself drawn to war and the military.
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