The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Justin DuMorne
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 24, 2022, 10:18:11 AM --- Keep in mind, overconfidence can be a killer, for the reasons stated, Justin may have thought that
a sixteen year old kid wouldn't have a chance against him. That leaves him open for a sucker punch, we all know that when Harry is in survival mode, he comes up with those quite often. Also Harry is a star child, which means he isn't just any sixteen year old apprentice.
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If Harry genuinely killed Justin, I suspect HWWB was involved. Maybe just the act of fighting-off the outsider created some sort of backwash-effect that Justin hadn't been prepared for... I expect that 1% of an Outsider's power, even undirected, would have been crippling to any non-Starborn mortal wizard.
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 24, 2022, 04:15:30 PM ---If Harry genuinely killed Justin, I suspect HWWB was involved. Maybe just the act of fighting-off the outsider created some sort of backwash-effect that Justin hadn't been prepared for... I expect that 1% of an Outsider's power, even undirected, would have been crippling to any non-Starborn mortal wizard.
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I don't think HWWB was involved, simply because of the gas station incident when Harry first encountered him and blew him up. I also doubt that Harry even knew at that point in time how to summon an Outsider, and was totally freaked by his battle with HWWB. Lea may have had something to do with Justin's defeat, though Jim has said that all she gave Harry was confidence.
Like I said, Justin may have been over confident, got careless because he thought he knew what Harry could do, and that was all that Harry needed. If I remember correctly Justin's death was due to a lot of KABOOM from Harry causing the house to burn down and him with it. Remember the KABOOM was so big that until Summer Knight Harry thought he had killed Elaine along with Justin.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 24, 2022, 05:34:56 PM ---... Lea may have had something to do with Justin's defeat, though Jim has said that all she gave Harry was confidence.
Like I said, Justin may have been over confident, got careless because he thought he knew what Harry could do, and that was all that Harry needed. If I remember correctly Justin's death was due to a lot of KABOOM from Harry causing the house to burn down and him with it. Remember the KABOOM was so big that until Summer Knight Harry thought he had killed Elaine along with Justin.
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I believe the WOJ was that *almost* all she gave him was confidence. So she didn't do something massive to actually make him much stronger than he was before bargaining with her, but there was something subtle ... perhaps something to help him resist enthrallment?
I don't think it had anything to do with turning the Walker back against Justin, though. I'm not even sure the Walker's involvement was anything so straightforward as Harry's interpretation that Justin sent it after him, and I'm even more doubtful it was still involved after getting its body blown up.
I also think there was more to the fight than Harry remembers. Elaine seems to say in SK that she got out while they were fighting and Justin was distracted - that doesn't sound like Harry won with a single hard fast suckerpunch.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Justin is alive and well in some part of the Multiverse.
vincentric:
So for a WAG, Mirror Justin and Elaine are Cowl and Kumori? They fled here to escape Mirror Harry's search.
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