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Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 24, 2022, 03:38:19 PM --- Well, he has if you go by how he has used the term so far in the series, Jim has told us exactly what it means and how he wants to use the term. Mantle, with the exception of how Eb used in reference to the Warden of the Island, is the "Fae power" for lack of a better term that pertains to the Queen vessels, Lady vessels, and Knight vessels of both Courts, when on vessel dies it moves and occupies the nearest suitable vessel.
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WOJ's seem to indicate the Blackstaff would also choose a new bearer in the event of the previous holder's death - although they also get more of a choice whether to take it up than we've seen with the Lady mantles.
I tend to find the fact that it's OK for the Warden position not to be filled for an extended period suggestive of it not being a real mantle. With the Fae mantles, even when it returns to the nearest Queen on the death of a previous knight, there's strong pressure on her to bestow it on another mortal asap. If the Wardenship is parked with Alfred, he doesn't seem to feel any corresponding hurry to replace Wardens.
On the other hand, holding the Wardenship has changed Harry - the partial intellectus and the changes in his shield and staff colours. There's something to it. Perhaps Merlin (with Alfred's help?) made some sort of construct in imitation of the faerie mantles even though it isn't quite the same thing.
morriswalters:
First for the upstream comments about Harry's fire spell. Whatever it is, it isn't fire per se. Fire is a chemical reaction. What he actually describes is heat. If you want to throw fire you actually throw something that is burning.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Tinfoil hat on September 27, 2022, 07:57:48 AM --- The key seems to have been be weaker than Mab to stay in the mortal world. Being immortal is just an added bonus of great power. Sort of if u reach a certain level of magic power. Boom u are immortal. Strength of a river is young to his kin yet 1000s old. I think the more magic you have the less mortal u are. Wizards seem tk grow more powerful in magic as they age and they reach 300s. Irvine was young but as strong as harry. He doesn't get sick etc. May is ur really strong u get immortality has a side effect
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Are we that sure Vadderung is weaker than Mab? He has a lower rank in Winter, yes, but it also seems it is a part time gig.
Irwin is strong because he is only half human. He gets his size and strength from his Bigfoot heritage. We have no reason to think bigfoots immortal. Possibly just long lived. There are trees thousands of years old.
Con:
Bigfoot is middle aged according to himself.
--- Quote ---"Figure I'm about middle age"
Which presumably made him approximately the same age as the tale of Beowulf. That made him better than a thousand years old. Minimum.
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Page 209 Peace Talks
Found this WOJ recently.
--- Quote ---Priscellie: Who was the warden of Demonreach before Harry?
Jim: Lemme think, I know who it is, and who the guy before that was, but the guy before /that/ was Kemmler so...
Priscellie: Oh god. laughs
Jim: Yeah, I mean, half of that entire thing was just the white council trying to keep Kemmler from getting back to the island and opening it up. Which is why they had him being hounded by the wardens all through the wild west and so on. It was to stop him from being able to set things up even more. Kemmler is sort of in the Dresden Files universe he's sort of the Dresden Files version of WWI where it was actually the biggest most epic most incredible conflict the world has ever known but we're all used to seeing WWII because they got some of it on film but we didn't get nearly as much of the great war on film but when you actually go and study it and study all the troop numbers and resources involved WWI was really the great war and WWII was kind of a follow-up. A softer echo in many ways.
Priscellie: In terms of how long someone is a warden, I'm sure it varies from case to case but how long does wardenship typically last?
Jim: It depends on how quickly it gets you killed.
Priscellie: Is that the only way out?
Jim: I'd say it's not the only way out. You can definitely walk away from it or be dragged away from it or driven away from it. And then if somebody else comes along and challenges Demonreach then it's their island if your influence isn't there anymore. By the time Harry got there nobody had been there in a good long while because among the people who are in the know on the council it would be suicide to go try and do that. If one of the senior council guys got it all the other senior council guys would be like "yep he's the bad guy he's definitely corrupt and serving evil". And then Dresden walked into it and it was just such a stupid move they all kind of looked at him and went "I think he was he was being dumb? Do you think he was being dumb? Yeah it looks dumb. It looks like he was just being stupid, oh my god, we do need the firepower", you know, like that. The poor council, they find themselves so strapped for resources in so many ways that they keep having to tolerate Harry Dresden.
Priscellie: Did his (Kemmler) wardenship end when he was killed after WWII?
Jim: It ended during one of the times they killed him. Kemmler got killed a bunch of times. He was one of those fun villains who just kept getting back up again just kept Napoleoning his way back into being a problem for the white council.
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Sounds like more Mantle proof to me...
Mira:
--- Quote ---k, I know who it is, and who the guy before that was, but the guy before /that/ was Kemmler so...
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??? So, is Jim saying he knows who is Warden now, Harry, understood, but now he seems to be talking double speak, and the guy before that was.. Then he goes on to say but the guy before /that/ was Kemmler so... ??? So is he implying that there was another Warden in-between Harry and Kemmler? If that is what he is implying, why isn't he or she named and what happened to him or her?
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