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vincentric:
The congruent spot in reality is supposedly the lesser of the sites though. Marcone's vault is a starter set to Hades'. The only place comparably greater than Demonreach that Mab is associated with is the Outer Gates themselves.
There is no circumstantial evidence of a direct Way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach. We don't know who was with Peabody on Demonreach but it most likely wasn't a Nemfected Maeve. Otherwise what was the point of flying onto the island when she could have just taken her entourage and the ritual materials directly there. Or sending in an inside man to be the Warden before Harry assumes the post. Or going and blowing the place during the time betweenTurn Coat and Cold Days.
Dina:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 21, 2022, 12:48:31 AM ---The island is not the prison. The prison is under the island.Doesn't seem like someone who has the keys to the kingdom.
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I always wondered about the etiquette in the supernatural world. How would you tell someone like Mab "Yes, you have my permission to enter my domain THIS TIME" without being rude? Or is it assumed that a permission is not absolute, but only for the moment, unless otherwise specified? Because that scene always worried me a little.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: vincentric on September 21, 2022, 12:52:43 AM ---The congruent spot in reality is supposedly the lesser of the sites though. Marcone's vault is a starter set to Hades'. The only place comparably greater than Demonreach that Mab is associated with is the Outer Gates themselves.
There is no circumstantial evidence of a direct Way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach. We don't know who was with Peabody on Demonreach but it most likely wasn't a Nemfected Maeve. Otherwise what was the point of flying onto the island when she could have just taken her entourage and the ritual materials directly there. Or sending in an inside man to be the Warden before Harry assumes the post. Or going and blowing the place during the time betweenTurn Coat and Cold Days.
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It has been confirmed as Maeve, she placed the Ice Spiders on the way to Edinburgh and then brought them to the island with her and Peabody.
Using it once confirmed Mab’s distrust and that door was thereafter slammed shut in Maeves face, exactly what she did with Nameless. Maeve had to mislead her companions to get them to the island, if they were enjoined by Winter Law NOT to use that particular way she had to get creative, or if doing so would alert Mab.
Mab guards the back door, she doesn’t use it (1) because during Cold Days she and Harry are at loggerheads and she knows Harry on the island has the power to win any debate, (2) it’s telling Harry something he doesn’t know, for nothing, not Mab’s thing, he has to earn knowledge in her book.
Arguing that the prison is separate to the island defeats the starting point that it backs onto Tartarus, on that basis the island would instead back onto an island in the NeverNever like Avalon. The entire island is Demonreach and the prison is part of it - no distinction has been made in the text, nor in any WOJ.
vincentric:
Where was it confirmed as Maeve? And where does it say they came from Arctis Tor? It's definitely not in the books and I've seen no WoJ on the matter.
Why would Nemesis(Maeve) waste it's supposedly one free shot at the Way to Demonreach on a minor side scheme when it could do a full jailbreak? Just bring an allied warlock to Demonreach before TC. Have him/her become Warden and let school out while Mab has no active Knight and no Lady to help her.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Dina on September 21, 2022, 03:01:13 AM ---I always wondered about the etiquette in the supernatural world. How would you tell someone like Mab "Yes, you have my permission to enter my domain THIS TIME" without being rude? Or is it assumed that a permission is not absolute, but only for the moment, unless otherwise specified? Because that scene always worried me a little.
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Butcher has been remarkably consistent on this point. You invoke a guest right. That means you knock on the door before you enter or come in with guns blazing.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on September 21, 2022, 04:42:41 AM ---It has been confirmed as Maeve, she placed the Ice Spiders on the way to Edinburgh and then brought them to the island with her and Peabody.
Using it once confirmed Mab’s distrust and that door was thereafter slammed shut in Maeves face, exactly what she did with Nameless. Maeve had to mislead her companions to get them to the island, if they were enjoined by Winter Law NOT to use that particular way she had to get creative, or if doing so would alert Mab.
Mab guards the back door, she doesn’t use it (1) because during Cold Days she and Harry are at loggerheads and she knows Harry on the island has the power to win any debate, (2) it’s telling Harry something he doesn’t know, for nothing, not Mab’s thing, he has to earn knowledge in her book.
Arguing that the prison is separate to the island defeats the starting point that it backs onto Tartarus, on that basis the island would instead back onto an island in the NeverNever like Avalon. The entire island is Demonreach and the prison is part of it - no distinction has been made in the text, nor in any WOJ.
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By the time of Turn Coat Maeve has been outed as nemfected. Assuming that she ever had keys that would pretty much have ended that. Unless Mab is an idiot. In any case Maeve is as good as a candidate as anyone else for Peabody's partner. But it doesn't follow that Maeve came from Arctis Tor.
Butcher himself makes the distinction that the prison is separate from the island. You enter the Well through the door at the bottom of the stairs.
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