The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Proven Guilty and my personal canon.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 27, 2022, 05:27:54 PM ---If Lash sabotaged Little Chicago / hid Harry's own mistake from him with the intent to blow it up in his face, why was she busting her ass to stop him from using it? Why would she want to kill the host she still had every expectation of turning?
I don't think Nic and co were monitoring her all that closely, or necessarily even had the capacity to give Lash orders remotely. The Shadow is sort of a fire-and-forget weapon. Harry picked it up; he'll convert eventually - that was considered a 100% certainty until Harry showed he'd resisted in SmF. Nic didn't see a need to micromanage. He'd got some intel of Harry using Hellfire, and figured it was just a waiting game from then on.
Based on Lash' willingness to go to extremes to stop Harry using the table, I wonder if she'd even noticed the flaw but was for some reason forbidden from telling him it was there. She seemed awfully sure he was about to kill himself trying.
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The problem with LC being broken has always been the question of why Butcher chose to write it as broken and then only do the reveal in the denouement?
Lash's reaction only makes sense if she believed LC was broken. And if it were sabotaged she was the only one able to do so in plain sight.
By the time they are actually in the lab for first use the plot has essentially failed. Michael is in position. Harry now knows what is what and who is who. LC has been fixed and the only task still on the table is to get Molly and be shown what has happened at Arctis Tor.
Butcher having Harry pick up the coin was the perfect setup for this. In terms of the plot this may have always been the point.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2022, 12:17:56 PM ---There appear to be two murder plots running concurrently in the text. There is the obvious one. The Merlin being manipulated into trying to kill Harry once again. This is probably the WC traitor (Peabody) stirring the pot. Magic ink and all that ...
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I think "stirring the pot" (in ways that advance the BC agenda(s)... or just cause disruption/opportunity the BC is poised to exploit) is sufficient explanation. Explicitly making it a "Kill Harry" agenda I think is a mistake -- I think the BC is planning to use Harry (and thus, wants him alive). So long as Margaret LeFay's starborn child is alive, whatever plan(s) they originally formulated (before she went rogue, and ran away from her Whamp handler) are alive, too! The Merlin, of course, would like to see Harry dead; pretty much for exactly the same reasons the BC wants him alive: a dangerously-unpredictable "wild card" who's prone to black magic.
I don't think we know those BC plans with any surety, but I suspect they revolve around the idea that a Starborn would likely be the best tool for controlling a summoned Outsider; without a Starborn, that tool is likely to turn in your hand and cut you!
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2022, 12:17:56 PM ---Then there is the second plot. The one by the Denarian's, possibly/probably in concert with the Black Council. This one is trying to either get Harry to pick up the coin or to kill him if he uses LC, by having it blow up in his face.
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Definitely a Denarian plot; but I don't think it's to get Harry killed (neither by LC or by any other means).
I suspect the BC and the Denarians are maneuvering around, trying to use one another; I doubt they often get very much done in any of these schemes, because both sides are to untrusting to commit (and each, of course, is fully-correct in their respective lack of trust).
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on August 27, 2022, 05:27:54 PM ---If Lash sabotaged Little Chicago / hid Harry's own mistake from him with the intent to blow it up in his face, why was she busting her ass to stop him from using it? Why would she want to kill the host she still had every expectation of turning?
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Based on Lash' willingness to go to extremes to stop Harry using the table, I wonder if she'd even noticed the flaw...
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Exactly!. I go beyond "wondering" if she knew of the flaw -- I fully-expect that she did. I expect she knew much more than Bob about such enchantments, and spotted the flaw long-since.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 26, 2022, 12:17:56 PM --- ... They had to empty the basement so someone could get in and fix Little Chicago ...
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My main theory is that Mab herself fixes LC, entering via Lea's garden, which is a "back door" into Harry's lab for Lea & Mab, and very few others. At the moment, Lea is being a Sidhecicle, so Mab herself is acting under the promises made by Harry's Faerie Godmother (and fulfilling promises is incredibly important to Mab).
Bob, in turn, didn't tell Harry either because (a) Mab had just demonstrated she could easily walk in through every defense, and she terrified him into silence; or (b) Bob's entire "terrified of Winter" schtick is a front, and he's actually been a deep-cover Winter agent ... ever since his creation!
(my seconary theory is that Future!Harry fixed it, since Future!Harry (a) knew about the flaw, (b) knew about Lea's backdoor, (c) as the owner of the skull, could give Bob the relevant orders. )
morriswalters:
Golly I thought everybody had left and forgot to tell me.
If Lash knew LC was broken then she knew it was fixed. And her temper tantrum was a last ditch effort to get Harry to pick up the coin.
It really doesn't matter who fixed LC. Rashid could have done the deed but Mab also works. Harry isn't a good candidate by the rules laid out in Cold Days which involve the grandfather paradox.
In my personal canon you have to answer the question, why was LC broken.
Mira:
--- Quote ---If Lash knew LC was broken then she knew it was fixed. And her temper tantrum was a last ditch effort to get Harry to pick up the coin.ote]
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Except that wasn't her last ditch effort, her last ditch effort to get Harry to pick up the coin was in White Night to save him, but instead she sacrificed herself to save him.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 30, 2022, 12:53:19 AM ---My main theory is that Mab herself fixes LC, entering via Lea's garden, which is a "back door" into Harry's lab for Lea & Mab, and very few others. At the moment, Lea is being a Sidhecicle, so Mab herself is acting under the promises made by Harry's Faerie Godmother (and fulfilling promises is incredibly important to Mab).
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Bob, in turn, didn't tell Harry either because (a) Mab had just demonstrated she could easily walk in through every defense, and she terrified him into silence; or (b) Bob's entire "terrified of Winter" schtick is a front, and he's actually been a deep-cover Winter agent ... ever since his creation!
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I don't think Lea's bargain obligated her to save Harry from his own error blowing up in his face. Mab is a good candidate for having done the fix, but I suspect her reasoning was to preserve an asset she had future use for, rather than to cover any obligation of Lea's.
She couldn't very well try to sell Harry a warning about the flaw without tipping that she was around protecting him on Lea's behalf, and enough of a hint what she was trying to sell would have just got him to have Bob run a full diagnostic anyway. So she had to do a freebie to preserve her investment.
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