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Conspiracy Theorist:

--- Quote from: vincentric on August 24, 2022, 01:35:07 PM ---Harry was not a vassal but Lea was and it was Lea's obligation that Mab was fulfilling. Thank you @morriswalters for saving me the search for the quote.

--- End quote ---

And which obligation would that be?

Lea had no general obligation to protect Harry except to Margaret when Harry was a child (and god did she suck at that) she owed no obligation to protect adult Harry, she was if anything his stalker, trying to bind him to her.

morriswalters:
I have no idea what the deal was between Lea and Margaret but as of Changes it was still in effect.
--- Quote from: Changes ---I frowned. “But . . . you sold my debt to Mab.”

“Precisely. At an excellent price, I might add. So now, all that remains twixt thou and I is your mother’s bargain. Unless you would prefer to enter another compact, of course . . .”
--- End quote ---
This is Lea speaking to Harry about the Garden on the other side from Harry's lab where the Primrose Path and the caterpillar live. The one she used to guard that portal.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Ah! I see the confusion, Harry owes Mab a debt, Mab does not owe any obligation to protect Harry, because that consideration is passed. To claim Mab’s protection would be to do as Elaine did, take refuge in The Court and swear fealty to her so you owe the Queen an obligation.

Mab only now has an obligation to protect Harry where as a member of her court he is acting as a representative of Winter and she might still pay the wereguild instead.

Mab is hardwired through her Mantle to require something in return, she is purely transactional, she has to have something in return for whatever is given, even If it is a promise of future service. Harry could have begged for Mab to protect him, but she would have required him to become Winter Knight

morriswalters:
Lea had an obligation to  protect Harry, not just as a child but as an adult. Butcher uses this to motivate Mab's actions in PG.  She must act for Lea since her restraint of Lea is keeping Lea from fulfilling her promise to Margaret.  That is straight out of the text and I've already quoted it.

g33k's original theory is about who is working for who. Butcher will have to supply that detail if he ever gets to that point.  Maybe he will plot it the way that g33k predicts, I have no idea.

I now have an idea about about where the paradox in the story is. Events had to play out so Harry's apartment would be empty when it was. Harry couldn't be allowed to use LC before it was fixed. If he finds out too early that Molly is the source of Black Magic the apartment never gets vacated and Harry dies when he attempts to use it

Conspiracy Theorist:
That quote merely states (1) that Harry’s debt to Lea, his obligation to her has been sold to Lea and (2) all that is left is Margaret’s bargain, and (3) she is open to making another bargain with Harry. We are not told Margaret’s bargain but the WOJ is that when Harry finds out he will want to kill Lea. The bargain most likely was “protect my child until he is of age and you may have the firstborn female of my bloodline when she is of age.” Not “protect Harry for his entire life in return for something, something….” Lea clearly has NOT protected Harry for the entirety of the files from Restoration of Faith onwards when he would have been 22 or 23 i.e. of age in most cultures.

On neither side is this an open-ended commitment, Wizards live over 400 years, as with Elaine there is an end point to the bargain . Lea is long past protecting Harry, she has performed her side of the bargain  and she hasn’t yet collected on her part of the bargain. Ever wondered why Lea accompanied Harry in Changes to Chicken Pizza ? She was protecting the fruit of her bargain, not Harry, Maggie.

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