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Overarching point of first few books

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g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 14, 2022, 08:22:46 PM ---And most wizards on the Senior Council not only didn't take Harry serious when he suggested that there was something called the Black Council, there were those who thought he was only deflecting his own guilt...
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IIRC, Harry didn't even try to claim (officially, to the WC; or to the Senior Council... or even (officially) to the Wardens) that there was a "Black Council" operating in secret.

Eb (and Carlos) explained to Harry that this would be political suicide for the Senior Council, and likely death-knell to the entire WC itself.

The White Council is supposed to be all the badass wizards & the "Knowing Ones:"  the people who can figure out your most-secret weaknesses, and exploit them.  That there could -- even possibly -- be another entire organization of wizards (just as badass but even better at secrets!) would have seen WC wizards quitting in droves to go join that BC -- the "Better" Council.

Mira:

--- Quote ---IIRC, Harry didn't even try to claim (officially, to the WC; or to the Senior Council... or even (officially) to the Wardens) that there was a "Black Council" operating in secret
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Why would he?  He knew he wouldn't be taken seriously.

--- Quote ---Eb (and Carlos) explained to Harry that this would be political suicide for the Senior Council, and likely death-knell to the entire WC itself.

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Yes, they chose to ignore the danger, to pretend what was going on around them wasn't a threat.


--- Quote ---The White Council is supposed to be all the badass wizards & the "Knowing Ones:"  the people who can figure out your most-secret weaknesses, and exploit them.  That there could -- even possibly -- be another entire organization of wizards (just as badass but even better at secrets!) would have seen WC wizards quitting in droves to go join that BC -- the "Better" Council.
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Yup, to put it crudely they had their heads so far up their collective asses, they could neither hear nor see what was going on.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 14, 2022, 11:15:03 PM --- Why would he?  He knew he wouldn't be taken seriously.
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My point was that he never did address it in any "official" capacity.


--- Quote from: Mira on August 14, 2022, 08:22:46 PM ---... the Senior Council not only didn't take Harry serious when he suggested that there was something called the Black Council...
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They wouldn't have; but also, he never did.

But actually, it's the nature of this kind of conflict that Eb & others were right, in saying not to unearth this.  In cases of "covert ops" and "disinformation campaigns" and "psy-ops," one of the chief advantages of the "Grey Council" is that they too were operating in secret.  The Black Council had been spotted, and there was organized resistance to the Black Council... and the BC didn't  yet know they had been found out!

Just as it was an advantage to the BC to operate in secret, so it was for the GC.


Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Mira on August 14, 2022, 11:15:03 PM ---
Yes, they chose to ignore the danger, to pretend what was going on around them wasn't a threat.

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I do not think they chose to ignore it, they are simply taking less overt means to counter it - see the Gray Council.

BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: g33k on August 14, 2022, 07:06:15 PM ---I think it's exactly the opposite -- those were about maintaining the "masquerade" for the muggles.

Sells was working in the "undeworld" -- not only hard-to-trace-mundanely (being magic), but also hiding (as a criminal).  ThirdEye was seen as just another hallucinogen by the authorities, and the deaths were just mysterious deaths.  No risk of exposure.
Kravos ("the Nightmare") was even-further from Muggle perception, using dreams & mind-magic.
The FBI agents were also hiding their Hexenwulf identities.

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Check again.

Three Eye granted Sight- veil destroying Sight- to mortals.

The FBI were trying to expose the loup garou to hide their own activities.

And Kravos was empowering ghost appearances with far more power.

All of these things would expose the supernatural- seeing through glamours and veils, undeniable ghost events, a real loup garou.

Marcone was the obstacle against literal widespread eye opening to the supernatural- no surprise the second plot aimed at his removal.

Edit: As a further note, Sells worked for SilverCo and was using rituals. Harry got involved after meeting Marcone- the major obstacle to spreading 3 Eye- in his car.

The second book was targeted, through a cat's paw- at Marcone.

Truth, I also think Lord Raith was the primary antagonist through the first few books

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