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morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 15, 2022, 11:35:28 AM ---Indeed, although I suspect the limits are not as severe. Jim also makes rules like these and then doesn't bring them up again (I refer again to the Archive's involvement against Ethniu).
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Butcher does this type of thing whenever it suits him. He wanted to write a war story and thus threw continuity to the winds. But mostly he has used her as an observer who is above the fray except for the Oblivion War, which is hidden.
It isn't a thing where Harry has never asked these type of questions, because he has. He just gets rebuffed. Either the price is too high or something interferes. Butcher is a tease and probably hasn't thought of the answers yet.
Mira:
I think the short story and now from what we saw in both Peace Talks and Battle Ground, is Ivy has learned that being close to someone in a personal emotional human way, while it has benefits, it can also bring pain. For her own sanity she made the logical and for her correct choice, she is what she is, The Archive, and cannot allow her human side to interfere. I think Harry understands this on an intellectual level, but he is still hurt by it. I also think he understands that his choices did cause Ivy pain, the damage that pain could have caused and that she is no longer Ivy, but is what she is and always was, the Archive. I don't think however that he or Kincaid were wrong in trying to treat her like a little girl when she was one. If she is well adjusted at all it is because they chose to do so.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 15, 2022, 07:10:42 AM ---Re: Castle wards
Almost everyone would write things down during the planning-it-out phase. You may destroy the notes, but making them up-front looks nigh-inevitable.
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but the guys building the wards are the high mages who will know of the Archive. And that she will learn of it. Those paranoids are the ones building the castles.
--- Quote ---Denarians have the mental capacity to just know things -- Angels I think have something like intellectus for their domain. And they know enough not to commit critical plans to any form of writing. Odin likely, too; and Ferrovax & the other dragons.
Mab... maybe. I think the Archive was a deep secret from before Mab was Mab... even before she was born a mortal girl.
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I also would not be surprised if Angels have their own writings and scripts unintelligible to humans, including the Archive. But they likely don't have to write it down anyway. Likewise the actual Fallen, but likely not their Denarian hosts. But they don't look like they are book-of-the-month club members.
Odin and Mab, see the Angels. They are not quite at that level (Odin maybe lower angel? not Uriel, but his foot cops?), and Ferrovax likely above foot cop angel, below Uriel. Likely exceeded only by Uriel and the Mothers. Above Ivy's pay grade.
--- Quote ---I'm pretty sure the Archive has an absolutely superhuman ability to sort information, correlate and organize it. Denarians are likely the only entities capable of perpetrating a deception upon the Archive, and even THEY will be challenged -- they don't know what other info may be out there, with dangling threads the Archive can tug upon to unravel their lies.
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There is sort, organize, and VERIFY. How much can she VERIFY? A computer can store and retrieve. It, or Ivy, can say "Neil DeGrasse Tyson says this on dark matter, and Hawking says this" and present two opposing views. It can be accurate both men made those statement...but at least one has to be WRONG. Can Ivy tell? A computer or library can't. (I don't know their view or if they disagree, it's just an arguable topic.)
--- Quote ---The Wardens, to begin with. Harry had seen Warden reports on Hannah Ascher, recognized her on sight. Morgan kept a journal, and I doubt he was the only one: wizards live for centuries, and being able to remind yourself of details from long in your past could be crucial. Eb has a huge set of books from the magical master/apprentice lineage of Merlin. Wizards love books & writing!
The Whamps, for another. Lara confirms that House Raith has profiles on most of the Wardens themselves, and I presume they have similar profiles for other "interesting" humans (and other entities, too!). And we know House Raith thought Margaret LeFay was interesting!
It wouldn't surprise me if the Ramps had kept such records, either.
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Point. The Wardens would have such records besides Eb (we have seen she is in his journal) , and there is mention of the Whamps even having files on some trainee wardens. You are correct. I blew that one.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 15, 2022, 11:35:28 AM ---Indeed, although I suspect the limits are not as severe. Jim also makes rules like these and then doesn't bring them up again (I refer again to the Archive's involvement against Ethniu).
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We are led to believe she lives at least in the area. A threat to Chicago is not a threat to, say, San Diego. Her area, so a threat to her. Plus, getting culture blasted back to the Stone Age or enslaved by an outside force is not "Let them decide between democracy, or socialism, or communism, or a dictatorship - so long as they do it to themselves."
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 16, 2022, 12:45:05 AM --- ... but the guys building the wards are the high mages who will know of the Archive. And that she will learn of it. Those paranoids are the ones building the castles.
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I am unclear on the WoJ / fannish knowledge, vs. the in-world knowledge.
How many people in the Dresden'verse actually know the Archive receives all information the moment it is committed to [paper / clay tablet / electrons / whatever]? One of the Archive's chiefest defenses and tools is that people DON'T know about her. Particularly, they don't know about the Oblivion War; and even among those who DO know, they probably don't know the Archive's role: for this one, specific piece of knowledge, her role is to forget.
But whatever degree of info about the Archive's purpose -- do they know HOW she gathers info???
Angelic beings obviously know, Fallen or not. They were there when the Archive enchantment was being created (maybe 2800-3500 years ago(?) ... that's roughly when Apollo moved into the temple at Delphi, and the Pythia began oracular activity).
Mab may not know: she has only been "Mab" for about 1000 years. Presumably the Mothers know, as they were apparently PART of that pantheon; but the fae LOVE their secrets, and Mab certainly doesn't know everything Mother Winter knows!
Odin's a "senior" god... but from another pantheon, and may not have been privy to what the Greek deities were up to.
etc.
I'm unclear that most mortal wizards would know the Archive's secrets... not even very-senior wizards.
But maybe the secret has gotten out, is not-so-secret anymore ... ?
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