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Winter Lady Restrictions
LostInTime:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2022, 03:59:52 PM --- Here is a wild thought, Mab or any other Fae will look you in the eye and tell you they cannot lie. Now that may be true, in which case bargaining with them shouldn't be all that dangerous, but it is.
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Of course that includes Molly now.
--- Quote from: Mira on October 20, 2022, 03:59:52 PM ---So why is that? This is a wild theory that came to me while I was watching a special about King Tut..
Don't ask me why. ??? But here it is, when you are bargaining with a Fae, it is like looking in a mirror. We see our reflection, we think we are seeing truth, but the image is backwards.. So the Fae might indeed be telling the truth, but we lie to ourselvesas we hear it, or in another words it amounts to a lot of wishful thinking. That's why it is so dangerous to bargain with the Fae...
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This is oddly close to what Harry warned Maeve about. Once you can lie, you start lying to yourself.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on October 21, 2022, 12:00:44 PM ---The tense of the phrase when Mab talks to Harry in the snow storm is past tense.Not I will choose, but I have chosen. Which is why the Gruff's attacked at Michael's.
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She talks to Harry AFTER the attack at Michael's. The two Gruffs that attack at the start of Chapter 7, right after Mab leaves are described as
--- Quote ---But they were bigger than the first attack team - bigger, stronger, and faster'
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Ed0517:
--- Quote from: g33k on October 21, 2022, 04:47:58 PM ---
Because we know the Queens cannot actually have a mortal directly killed, except via their Knights.
So Titania having the Gruffs attack is solid proof that Harry doesn't have mortals' normal workaday immunity.
Unless he is her Emissary, simply by fiat of the Queen of Air and Darkness (or maybe it's Harry's "3 services" bargain, plus her word). He may not need to actually "accept" the job.
As noted, Titania's attack seems pretty solid evidence that Harry does indeed have "standing" as a Winter agent...
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But couldn't a Winter or Summer Queen thereby kill any vanilla human they wish by "Oh, I named him my Emissary in charge of watching for tidal waves in Nebraska. Just hadn't told him yet"
morriswalters:
To use a vanilla mortal Mab would first have to create a bargain. This is established in Summer Knight when Mab forces Harry to stab himself. He tied himself to Winter by bargaining with Lea. Mab bought him from Lea and all else follows.
Tinfoil hat:
The problem with any binding agreement is that it can mean something totally different to what you expect. Think of those young artists who sign away the rights to their works. Harry agreed to do 3 favours to Mab of his choose. Mab made it so harry had to choose to do it. Harry wasnt aware of how little choose he did have.
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