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Winter Lady Restrictions
Mira:
--- Quote from: LostInTime on October 11, 2022, 07:10:23 PM ---Go back and read Battle Ground, the part where Molly is walking around in a fireman's coat after the battle. Molly even said that Harry has bound a queen right after he makes the demand.
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That isn't the same as what he did to Ethinu though. I think what Molly was referring to is promises made by a Fae. The one giving the promise, is bound to honor it, but that isn't the same kind of binding that Harry used to send Ethinu to Demonreach.
LostInTime:
He bound her as a fae is bound by equal exchange.
Just like he later bound all of the supernatural nations present under guest rite.
It's a different type since it required no battle of wills, but it's just as binding, within its limitations. We've never seen what happens to a fae that fails to fulfill a contract, but as we've seen with Harry in PT, there's a real, physical consequence. Molly described a unfulfilled contract owed her as an itch that she can't scratch.
Mira:
--- Quote from: LostInTime on October 13, 2022, 09:01:22 AM ---He bound her as a fae is bound by equal exchange.
Just like he later bound all of the supernatural nations present under guest rite.
It's a different type since it required no battle of wills, but it's just as binding, within its limitations. We've never seen what happens to a fae that fails to fulfill a contract, but as we've seen with Harry in PT, there's a real, physical consequence. Molly described a unfulfilled contract owed her as an itch that she can't scratch.
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When a Fae makes a promise in a bargain, he or she binds himself or herself to the promise. As we saw in Summer Knight, Harry had bound himself to Lea for three promises in exchange for whatever she gave him to fight Justine.. However Mab was able to take over that contract, then promises were then moved to her. In the case of Ethinu, Harry needed blood and had to say the right words to bind her, but she wasn't bound to Harry, she was bound to the prison.
LostInTime:
--- Quote from: Mira on October 13, 2022, 03:30:02 PM ---When a Fae makes a promise in a bargain, he or she binds himself or herself to the promise. As we saw in Summer Knight, Harry had bound himself to Lea for three promises in exchange for whatever she gave him to fight Justine.. However Mab was able to take over that contract, then promises were then moved to her. In the case of Ethinu, Harry needed blood and had to say the right words to bind her, but she wasn't bound to Harry, she was bound to the prison.
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Harry bound Ethniu. He beat her will to resist the binding. Not Demonreach. The prison is just where she is bound.
The Lady, Queen, and Mother mantles were already bound to behave under equal exchange. Harry did a favor for Winter, who were defending Chicago under their Accords, which the Fomor were attacking. Winter was obligated to return the favor. Harry demanded payment, they had no choice but to grant the favor or suffer the consequences, which we don't know what they would be. But, they would have to be serious.
When Mab acquired Harry's favor to Lea, we don't know how. Did Mab demand them as service from her vassal? Was it the price Mab extracted to cure Lea of Nemfection? Or did Mab trade a favor to Lea in exchange for Harry's favor? While Lea was incapacitated by being cured, Mab acted to fulfill her vassal's obligations. Just as when Harry was mostly dead Mab acted to fulfill his obligation to train Molly, transferring that obligation to Lea, who was already bound to fulfill Harry's obligation to train Molly as his Godmother.
Harry himself has a ton of obligations. And not just favors owed to others. He is owed favors and tends to forget them or brush them off. I'll be watching to see if he doesn't start taking those favors owed more seriously as the mantle takes hold.
morriswalters:
Winter Law is whatever Mab says it is. And it applies only when she wants it to and then only to the Fae and not the rest. She let the Hobs loose in the train station and I'm pretty sure that most of the dead wouldn't have known or ever heard of Mab. When Lea got uppity during Dead Beat Mab took the Atheme and tortured her until she saw the error of her ways. Not an equal exchange in my book. And that can't lie thing apparently only works on the Queens on some schedule that I can't discern. The rest of her court is composed of Fae keeping busy by knifing each other and plotting for personal gain. A plot is by definition a lie.
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