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Mab is cleaning up the White Court
Ed0517:
Mab may not be anti-Raith as such, but may be anti-Papa and thinks she can work with Lara. If Lara then arranges events that weaken the other Houses within the Court, it strengthens Lara's hold. She has her Knight in a position of power within the Court, where he can pass along info (but - what happens if his loyalties are divided between his Queen and his wife?)
Harry has shown some ability at geomancy - could he repair the Deeps for Lara? Even crude walls and a ceiling could later be refined like the polished tunnel walls by human contractors. Though Harry is likely more crush rock than carve rock.
Did we ever conform Papa's shield is Outsider-powered? It's a good possibility, maybe probability, but even the likes of the Forest People have an immunity, so maybe someone else can bestow it too.
Conspiracy Theorist:
River Shoulders ground magic, Raith just shrugs it off, the former is a magic user the latter isn’t.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 10, 2022, 05:35:45 AM --- ... Did we ever conform Papa's shield is Outsider-powered? It's a good possibility, maybe probability ...
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I *think* so. I think Harry got an "Outsider-flavor" from his attempt to cast on Raith Pere.
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 10, 2022, 05:35:45 AM --- ... the likes of the Forest People have an immunity, so maybe someone else can bestow it too.
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They aren't "immune" -- they simply understand the magic well enough to ground a spell and dissipate it. Presumably enough power, or enough different spells cast simultaneously, could overwhelm them; or if they were unconscious, they couldn't do it.
Papa Raith just has an aura that sucks the magic away, whether or not he "does" anything. I suspect Harry -- with the right approach -- could have Starborn'ed his way past that aura, if he had understood in the earlier books what he understands in the later books.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 10, 2022, 12:09:32 AM ---His children were acting against him in secret ...
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He had largely controlled his daughters. They weren't acting very much against him, because he could have had any secret out of them in a trice. He had killed all his sons except Thomas, who only survived because:
* he assiduously avoided Whamp Politics, building a power-base, or anything else that Papa could have construed as a threat
* (I have a WAG that) Margaret may have hinted to Papa that she had set "special" protections on Thomas, and Papa was unwilling to risk it after she had blocked his ability to Feed his HungerIn general, though, "acting against <X> in secret" is, I think, just the water Whamps swim in... always plotting, always being plotted-against; always conspiring, always being conspired-against.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 10, 2022, 12:09:32 AM --- ... he probably told no one about the protection granted to him by The Outsiders, Lara probably suspected ...
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Over the (many) years, I expect Raith had been hit with magic more than once, within sight of other Whamps (particularly his daughters (who seemed to act as personal bodyguards?)). That he had some sort of protection seems unlikely to be a well-kept secret. The details, though... I suspect he intentionally dropped multiple contradictory hints. Make a maze of dead-end clues, swim in a school of red herrings. Show up as having a unique & potent ability, that nobody understands.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 10, 2022, 12:09:32 AM --- ... Lara probably suspected, making her ripe for approach, perhaps by one of the former Archives. All she would have to do is to be aware of the Archives role and to write “My father, Lord Raith is in contact with The Outsiders, Lara” and then destroy it ...
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Lord Raith wasn't AFAIK any kind of "native" talent. All his magic was cast by following written instructions. The Archive already knows all the stuff in his library, Lara doesn't have to tell him.
My own WAG is that most of the Venatori cells in the Oblivion War don't know the Archive is their ultimate boss, nor the mechanism of the Archive in recording information. It would paint too big a target on the Archive, for an Outsider attack. As noted, Lara's will wasn't entirely her own. Papa could have had any of Lara's secrets, and I suspect the Archives wouldn't have risked knowledge of their role & methods in such close proximity to a ruthless mindbender like Lord Raith.
Instead, I posit that the Archives give out "special books" -- heavily-enchanted journals, wrapped in spells of obfuscation & misdirection, with an absolutely tremendous KABOOM booby-trap at the core. They tell their contacts that whatever is written in these journals, will also be written in a matching journal held by the "Oblivion Council." This hides the fact that the Archive sees everything written, and creates a plausible mechanism for 1-way notices.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on August 10, 2022, 12:09:32 AM --- ... Lord Raith may have been The Outsiders backstop, an immortal with the knowledge to summon them protected from harm by their power. Even if all other Outsider agents are eliminated then he survives, spreading the knowledge anew. That makes Raith the antithesis of the Archive.
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That's a fascinating WAG!
I rather like it ...
Conspiracy Theorist:
Thank you, the Dresdenverse exists in balance so a counterweight to the Archive existing does makes sense.
Lord Raith used a different ritual for powering the entropy curse, he most likely would only bother to commit the Summoning of Outsiders to memory. As a backstop he isn’t mortal and can’t summon himself where the summoner has to be a mortal, but he can teach the ritual to someone else. That way the Archive can’t “see” the stored information. Raith is a living book.
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