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The castle and the island, theory
g33k:
--- Quote from: seanham on August 02, 2022, 10:42:49 PM --- ... I don't have my books with me, but I think the books or WOJ says it is second-generation Merlin/Demonreach wards.
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Hmmm. I don't think I recall this.
If you could recall the original citation, I'd be very grateful!
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 02, 2022, 11:59:25 PM ---The one in France was c. 6th Century... its ruins are still in place (and are very VERY ruined, unsuitable for habitation).
The one in England may not even have existed; but certainly is much later. Per Wikipedia, Malory proposed either Bamburgh or Alnwick castles as the site of Joyous Gard. Bamburgh is credible (being known as a fortified site back to the Arthurian era), but Alnwick likely is not, as records show it being first constructed by the Normans, with no prior fortifications known at the site.
But remember -- Malory's Morte D'Arthur is 15th C (it's where we get much of our late-medieval faux-Arthurian imagery). It's based largely on the Matter of Britain (multiple authors, multiple dates, mostly 12th-13th centuries; mostly not-very-historical) & upon the Vulgate Cycle (13thC French)
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I never let reality get in the way of a good story. I'm also pretty sure most castles wouldn't fit on the average lot in Chicago no matter what their state of repair. But I don't insist and won't defend it.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 03, 2022, 02:06:23 AM --- ... I'm also pretty sure most castles wouldn't fit on the average lot in Chicago no matter what their state of repair ...
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I'm pretty sure the old Spunkelcrief boarding-house is on a larger-than-average lot!
But there is no way it's big enough for the castle, as-described. The great hall by itself, with room enough for multiple major supernatural factions to each have their retinues on hand, plus a bit of room for each to have privacy, could likely have held the entire property.
Do we actually know, however, that Marcone didn't just buy out the rest of the city block (or however much of it he needed)?
Basil:
Most castles were pretty small, certainly small enough to fit on a Chicago city block. Of course, they could also be bigger. The Tower is very big, as it was expanded repeatedly over a thousand years. The castle in Edenborough is also much bigger than a city block. These are on the much larger size; however. Most castles are much smaller.
Conwy Castle in Wales is a bit bigger than a city block, but not that much bigger. I've seen many castles in Scotland and Wales that are about half or one third the size of Conwy
https://cadw.gov.wales/visit/places-to-visit/conwy-castle
g33k:
--- Quote from: Basil on August 03, 2022, 06:41:08 AM ---Most castles were pretty small, certainly small enough to fit on a Chicago city block ...
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Yeah. It's just a matter of... did Marcone buy the block (or a hefty chunk of it)?
Or did he only buy the one lot (and the Castle is Tardis-like (bigger inside than out ::) )... i.e. Jim & the beta-readers messed up)?
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