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Lara Raith marriage consummation

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g33k:

--- Quote from: vincentric on July 22, 2022, 11:54:05 PM --- Virginity is not a requirement for a Lady's Mantle. Lily was not a virgin when she succeeded Aurora and Sarissa was in-line for both the Summer and Winter offices despite her long life and experiences. The Mantles enforce celibacy and then only in the strictest sense of actual intercourse it seems.
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I don't think we actually know if it's a prerequisite, or only enforced after the fact.  Nor do we know if Lily or Sarissa were virgins.

Is it celibacy, or virginity?

Conspiracy Theorist:
The Ladies can ride the Unicorns which is usually associated with virgins.

Harry did ride one in Battle Ground, but standing next to Thomas, Harry looks pretty virginal. As would most men.

The trinity is the Maid, Mother and Crone, and I think in this Jim has been influenced by Pratchett, and his witches, Magrat, Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax (who I suspect influenced the character of Mother Winter).

Jim has made much of Molly’s ongoing virginity, it surely played a major part in why she rather than Justine or Murphy were chosen by the Mantle. Remember, inside the Circle the Mantle had limited choice,  but it did have a choice of candidates, and Justine and Murphy were not maids. It just so happens Molly was Mab’s back up, indicating Mab’s prolonged scheming in relation to her. Preserving her virginity was undoubtedly part of this.

In Proven Guilty Molly has a boyfriend, Nelson, a Harry lookalike, her powers are manifesting so her potential as a candidate comes across Mab’s radar. The Gatekeeper tells Harry to investigate Black Magic in Chicago we do not know at this point that the Gatekeeper is allied with Mab. Molly is abducted by Winters Phobophages and taken to Arctis Tor, Mab’s stronghold, rescued by Harry’s party, and faces the White Council, saved by Michael suddenly appearing, obviously due to Uriel’s influence’ but we don’t find out they are working together until Ghost Story) Molly is put under the care of Harry (her unassailable crush) and tightly chaperoned thereafter.

Mab, the Gatekeeper and Uriel appear to have been working together for some time to get a Winter Knight and Winter Lady suitable for the forthcoming travails. Both proved pivotal in Battle Ground, clearly a starter course to the BAT.

This is why I think you need to look at the earlier books with hindsight, the whole files were designed as a whole rather than developing book by book so we the reader through Harry’s POV are not given everything which is actually going on in an earlier book or story, relationships between characters are not clear, but are made clear later on. Now however, ther is less ‘later on’.

morriswalters:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on July 23, 2022, 05:00:26 AM ---I think what you are saying is they do not use heirs to determine SUCCESSION. The LINEAGE is biological. Harry is Eb's lineage, Joe knows it, I expect Martha does, and I'd be shocked if Rashid and Langtry don't.  It does not mean he gets the Mc Coy Seat, if you will,  on the WC. Otherwise there would never be a debate on who gets the open seat, and a Christos is blocked.

Lara rules thru a puppet as it was the quickest, most bloodless method to gain the power. Now, if in a few years it comes to light that she HAS puppeted her father, Whamps may think of a coup. But they also wouled have to realize she had the power to overthrow her father. They may learn Thomas is far from the idiot he pretended, and has some small magical ability, and if she still has her scary AF Winter Knight consort? They saw the duel in Raith Deeps, and he had much less power then. They know about the Red court. If they find out who... they could decide he might not be a man to cross. Plus, wizards only live 4, 500 years. Whamps play the long game.

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I think I used it correctly. The point of using prodigy to join two royal houses is to be able to join a line biologically to the line of succession, thus producing an heir. But you get the point.

This whole business of the Mantle needing a virgin is somewhat  silly.  Slate raped Lily. So whatever her status was as Lady it didn't take virginity to get there.

The unicorn is Mab's and Mab is not a virgin.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Consider how the Bloodline curse worked, whilst it would almost certainly would take Thomas, there was concern as to whether it would spread through to Lara and Thomas other half-sisters as it was so seriously overpowered. It could have taken out House Raith and a good part of the White Court. This is the peril of joining linages, and why blood has so much credence amongst the supernatural. A child by Harry gives the White Court a hostage against both Harry and Eb which the entire supernatural world is aware of. This is why consummation is likely to be insisted upon. The other Houses look forward to the birth of a little hostage, not consummating would undermine Lara politically internally. Externally Harry is effectively now seen as supernatural nuclear power (although he has been since he realised Demonreachs full potential) and a child creates a failsafe for them.

Basically Harry is going to have the entire White Court and the leaders of the Accorded Nations cheering him on on his wedding night. I hope Harry doesn’t suffer from performance anxiety.

In this age a child hostage is more important than the consumation.

Mr. Mouse:
Didn't Jim say there'd be no more Dresden tykes? Not that he couldn't change his mind.

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