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Getting to the Island
Mira:
--- Quote ---Definitely Mab then, Harry was still avoiding being the Winter Knight at that point, which was probably common knowledge at this point, and if the Ice Garden, then that’s where Lloyd Slate was kept, Harry’s predecessor, whom Harry’s slit the throat of. Nicky would easily guess that would be required of Harry, and knew Harry would rather slit his own throat (or as actually happened hire a sniper) than be Winter Knight and Kill an innocent human (although Lloyd Slate v Maggie, foregone contest)
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I wouldn't really call Slate an innocent, and after Mab's treatment of him, death was a mercy.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 20, 2022, 12:31:30 PM ---Definitely Mab then, Harry was still avoiding being the Winter Knight at that point, which was probably common knowledge at this point, and if the Ice Garden, then that’s where Lloyd Slate was kept, Harry’s predecessor, whom Harry’s slit the throat of. Nicky would easily guess that would be required of Harry, and knew Harry would rather slit his own throat (or as actually happened hire a sniper) than be Winter Knight and Kill an innocent human (although Lloyd Slate v Maggie, foregone contest)
A great find adding to my theory, that Demonreach comes out at Arctis Tor.
Nicky knows where it comes out and doesn’t dare use it himself. Not without using up his precious favour to Mab, perhaps and it would be a grievous insult to Winter to arrive at Arctis Tor without invitation, no Guest Right would apply and Nicky most likely would be next to Lea and Lloyd if he tried it.
Harry as Winter Knight has a right as a senior Vassal to enter Arctis Tor unless forbid like Nameless who is bound by Winter Law and can’t even try.
The Mothers are Mantles and are artificial constructs apart from the person or being they were. No doubt Hecate and the Fates poured all or part of their power into the Mantles, the beings may have retired like a certain bartender, living in the Mortal World, powered down, at a power level much less than the Queens. We know they weren’t Queens or Ladies in the last millenia. The other option was to embrace the Mother Mantle but live permanently in the Never Never, to prevent reality breaking in line with my theory of the White Gods Proscription.
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How is it definitely Mab? It would make sense for it to back onto one of the greatest supernatural prisons that are out there in the NeverNever and Winter is pretty far down that list. I mean Demonreach holds things as strong or stronger than Mab. You'd think the NeverNever analog would be one of the mythological hells.
Mab has one ice garden. I'm pretty sure Hades, Hela and Lucifer could fit it into a tiny wing of their realms without any trouble. Not to mention the Hindu, Sumerian, Chinese and Egyptian pantheons. Just staying regional, there are things far worse than Nagloshi in Amerind religion, especially if you include the Aleuts. Popping thru a Way and disturbing say Yamata no Orochi or Tiamat wouldn't rank very high as a survivable experience either.
Conspiracy Theorist:
“Prison” is the operative word, not Hell or any of its equivalents if Demonreach was built with such care then that care extends to the NeverNever that Mab and the Merlin personally knew each other was established in Battle Ground, it makes sense therefore that they worked on each end of the link to make sure they matched up, accidentally linking to Hell or somewhere else without an guardian entity would be a major flaw, and it is clear Mab did this with Hade Vault.
As far as we are aware nothing has ever escaped Demonreach, HadesRealm for example has a revolving door, according to mythology, so it couldn’t be a match.
vincentric:
Why would Merlin have worked together with Mab to create Demonreach and the island not show that to Bob and Harry in CD? Would they be working together at all? Ethniu taunts Mab about her bad breakup with Merlin and that's all we know from the books, that they had a falling out before she became Mab and could have assisted him.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: vincentric on July 20, 2022, 03:27:04 PM ---Why would Merlin have worked together with Mab to create Demonreach and the island not show that to Bob and Harry in CD? Would they be working together at all? Ethniu taunts Mab about her bad breakup with Merlin and that's all we know from the books, that they had a falling out before she became Mab and could have assisted him.
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Because they are all afraid of creating a paradox.
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