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Conspiracy Theorist:
Have already done so, please read the thread.
Where would you consider Demonreach backs onto in the NeverNever? Please provide quotes.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 07, 2022, 08:05:15 PM ---Oh dear, I have to explain it again. There is a way from Chicago (Pell’s Theatre, Harry used it) to just outside Arctis Tor. Maeve let’s him in the fortress and takes Peabody to the Ice Dungeon and takes him plus Spiders to Demonreach. She brings him back, takes him back to Chicago and he goes back to Edinburgh. He makes his own way to Chicago.
The time dilation of Arctis Tor and the shortcut through the Never Never, means Peabody leaves Edinburgh first, and catches up with the Senior Council on Demonreach. He leaves Demonreach and gets back before the Senior Council.
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You're using your own speculation as a reference. Yes, there is a Way from Chicago to Arctis Tor but that does not mean there is a Way from Arctis Tor to Demonreach. We don't know who was working with Peabody and was there with him on the island.
As for where Demonreach backs onto the NeverNever, I've no clue. But I've never made any assertions about it. Why would I need quotes to defend an argument I've never made?
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 13, 2022, 09:35:45 AM ---I'm not saying they couldn't find it, or didn't, there is the ruins of a settlement on it. However unless you have it on a chart, it isn't going to be some you'd easily run across. The Lakes are very large and can be very dangerous in storms. So if it is removed from charts for whatever reason, not easy to find.
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There's several contexts of "finding it" under discussion, and it's worth clarifying what we are talking about.
Mundane folk need charts/maps, or aircraft/etc. So far as we know, the White Council has effectively edited the island off all the charts & maps. The WC may even have gotten things like satellite-overview to apply the same "editing" that military bases get, so it doesn't show that way. It's likely that some local pilots know of it; short-haul passenger & cargo aircraft will occasionally catch sight, no doubt. That's about it.
Wizards mostly seem to get there via Ways (except, for some reason, Harry Dresden(?!), who (despite owning the Ways of LeFey!!!) keeps taking a boat there! I find that very odd indeed (I sense a spin-off thread in the offing)). Wizards -- wardens of the prison -- have been getting to the island, and stashing prisoners, for... I dunno... Centuries? Millennia? The prison on the island is O-L-D (in part, of course, because it was constructed via Time-based magic).
My point is: wizards, so far as we know, have never had any particular challenge "finding" the island, in the "finding their way there" sense. The only issue for wizards -- maybe -- is locating it, as in a location on a map.
My point (in this tangent) is -- wizards have not in fact had any particular challenge in finding the island, in that 2nd "on a mundane map" sense. Only muggles are challenged (and even them, less and less so); but they have no particular desire regarding the island. Wizards, OTOH, have an intense interest in it.
morriswalters:
The only reference is from Small Favor.
--- Quote ---“Cross into the Nevernever from where you’re standing?” Nicodemus asked. “You’d be better off asking the Russian to put a bullet through your head for you. I know what lives on the other side.”
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Also in Small Favor is the ley line map that Harry uses to get to Demonreach the first time. Compiled by Listens To Wind.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 13, 2022, 10:49:56 PM --- The only reference is from Small Favor.
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n.b. that was the top of the island; not the entirety of it.
I doubt the same Nevernever location backs onto the dock-area, the ruins of the lakeside town, or the forested areas, or etc.
OTOH, I also doubt anyplace on Demonreach opens onto, y'know... a friendly, peaceful kind of place !
But in Turn Coat, Harry detects people arriving straight onto the island, out of the Nevernever.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 13, 2022, 10:49:56 PM --- Also in Small Favor is the ley line map that Harry uses to get to Demonreach the first time. Compiled by Listens To Wind.
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Do we actually know that it's LTW's map, or only presume it? But... in the end, is it relevant who made it, germane to this discussion?
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