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The Law
Mira:
--- Quote from: g33k on August 01, 2022, 04:52:16 PM ---I think we can take it as given that Justin gave a highly-edited & intentionally-incommplete sort of training to Harry & Elaine.
Almost nothing on mind-magic, to leave them maximally-vulnerable to Enthrallment. Nothing about the White Council, so they never developed curiosity there, or considered it as a place they might seek shelter/protection. Little to nothing about other supernatural powers of the world -- we see Bob tutor Harry on these elements repeatedly.
And then Eb felt that what Harry really needed was to have his character rebuilt, his moral compass, his soul. Eb didn't provide very much more magical training, though he did bring Harry to WC meetings &c.
So whenever Harry seems oddly-ignorant, I chalk it up to this factor (and usually pause to wonder, how did this bit of ignorance feature into Justin's plans?).
But sometimes, people just have an odd gap in their knowledge.
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Well, in the case of Harry and Elaine, Justin had no intention of teaching them about the White Council, I doubt that he taught them much about the Seven Laws either. His intention was to raise up a couple of trained enforcers to serve whatever his cause was [which is still unclear] I also think they were expendable as far as he was concerned. Their training reflects all of that.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Dina on July 31, 2022, 04:17:58 AM ---Yes, I do not think Lapland is Kumari.
Your comment reminded me something else. I am always disgusted when Harry seems too ignorant. For a person who mentioned having been a magic nerd, who had an spirit of intellect for many years, his culture has some holes. For example, he did not know the word "apotheosis".
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Obviously you never had a self directed education of the type Harry did. Given his background I would expect gaps in his vocabulary. Butcher established this type of thing when he gave Harry Latin lessons and a G.E.D.
--- Quote from: Mira on August 01, 2022, 05:58:54 PM ---Well, in the case of Harry and Elaine, Justin had no intention of teaching them about the White Council, I doubt that he taught them much about the Seven Laws either. His intention was to raise up a couple of trained enforcers to serve whatever his cause was [which is still unclear] I also think they were expendable as far as he was concerned. Their training reflects all of that.
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I doubt he considered Harry as expendable. The Black Council and many of Harry's so called friends exerted some serious effort to make Harry a weapon. You can get muscle anywhere, but you can't just walk down to your local manpower agency and lease a monster. They take some serious planning as Butcher has pushed out over and over again.
Dina:
g33k, you are right, Justin education explains many of the gaps in Harry's knowledge of the magical world. But he told us several times that he studied, that he was a sort of magical nerd. And he has Bob for questions. I find weird that he does not know that particular world, but of course, it may be that I am in the wrong and the word is not as common as I imagine, unless you have an specific background (or saw a picture called "The apotheosis of the dollar" when you were a chiild, as I did :D)
Conspiracy Theorist:
Harry was being prepared as weapon, The Destroyer. Elaine was a way to keep Harry in check.
I am not sure Harry’s will can be fully suborned, no one has ever succeeded and as Starborn he is immune to Outsider influence. Harry has also broken through prophecy, curses and other forms of predestination, he even confuses the Gatekeeper at times creating a flux in probability. In that case what is left is to manipulate those persons whom Harry loves in order to manipulate Harry.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Dina on August 01, 2022, 11:52:23 PM ---g33k, you are right, Justin education explains many of the gaps in Harry's knowledge of the magical world. But he told us several times that he studied, that he was a sort of magical nerd. And he has Bob for questions. I find weird that he does not know that particular world, but of course, it may be that I am in the wrong and the word is not as common as I imagine, unless you have an specific background (or saw a picture called "The apotheosis of the dollar" when you were a chiild, as I did :D)
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But Harry also says he is lazy, that up until the time he took on Molly as an apprentice he did only as much as he needed to go get by. Yeah, if he was interested like in fire magic and some in earth magic he applied himself more. However for things like veils he did only what he needed to do to get by, that has changed somewhat, his veils have improved as a consequence of being Molly's master. His Latin has also improved.
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