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Greeks vs Romans
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 29, 2022, 03:47:10 PM ---Tough, Jim already did this, the Etruscan God of War is Laran. The White Court uses Etruscan and therefore most likely has its roots in that culture. Eros child of Aphrodite and Ares is the Etruscan deity Erus, whom the Romans called Amor (where has that popped up). Likely therefore the Whites are a corruption of the line of Erus, and Lara is named for her grandfather or Great-grandfather Laran. Lord Raith didn’t allow his sons to live that long, so he wasn’t going to give them a name of significance. Raith was so powerful perhaps because he was the offspring of Erus, if his siblings died then their descendants would be a tier less powerful and likely the heads of the other Houses.
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I don't think the Etruscan Laran (& the Whamps) really impacts what Jim might write about Mars/Ares/Athena as the "same" god/dess (or not-the-same). The Etruscans appear to be rather different, without the numerous Greco=Roman identities.
Also, barring info from WoJ's, I think we're inching out onto very-thin branches of speculation, based on no more than the Whamps' use of the Etruscan language. Mind you... I suspect you're right (or at least, speculating in the right directions).
I don't think individual Whamps live as long as that (i.e. centuries, not millenia); but again, I'm not sure we have solid info on this, neither DV canonical story nor WoJ.
Mira:
--- Quote ---The Etruscan appear to be rather different, without the numerous Greco=Roman identities.
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They would be different, they predate both the Roman and Greek civilizations. If anything the Romans borrowed some stuff from them.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Jim has been keeping away deliberately from the origins of the White Court, whereas we have been given those of both the Red and Black Courts.
I find that suspicious.
Con:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 29, 2022, 09:58:44 PM ---Jim has been keeping away deliberately from the origins of the White Court, whereas we have been given those of both the Red and Black Courts.
I find that suspicious.
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Well we might get more in 12 months or in the courtship of Lara.
But yes the various different local gods bordering on spirits is another example of interpretations of the Olympians.
Romans converted a bunch of Gallic Sun Gods and named them 'Local Apollo' or Apollo and the region of Gaul.
In Iron Druid both Roman and Greek gods are Seperate Pantheons both inhabiting different planes of Mt Olympus.
But yes. Greek Gods get a lot more play in mythological retelling than their Roman counterparts but the Roman counterparts ruled the Mediteranean for 700 years or so.
Personally I think they're just putting on different hats the way Vadderung does.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2022, 05:38:15 PM ---... they predate both the Roman and Greek civilizations. If anything the Romans borrowed some stuff from them.
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Not so (for the first bit).
The Etruscans were essentially contemporaneous with the ancient (pre-Republic) Kingdom of Rome; the Republic stage of Rome saw the end of the Etruscans as rivals of theirs. The Romans definitely borrowed from the Etruscans (several loan-words have been documented, for example). It may well have gone both ways, but we know a LOT more about the Romans. Etruscan "borrowings" from Rome -- if any (I assert the extreme likelihood thereof) -- are AFAIK lost to the ravages of time and Empire.
Mycenean Greece predates both; then Greece had a fragmented "Dark Age" for some centuries. The "Archaic Greek" era and the rise of the "Polis" city-state model in Greece was, again, roughly contemporaneous with the early Etruscans & Romans.
(I am unclear how much of this historical trivia is relevant to the Dresdenverse; but, see below!)
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 29, 2022, 09:58:44 PM --- Jim has been keeping away deliberately from the origins of the White Court, whereas we have been given those of both the Red and Black Courts.
I find that suspicious.
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This is... an excellent point.
Given that we learned relatively long-ago that the Whamp "court language" was Etruscan, the lack of further info is indeed "suspicious" (OTOH, I wouldn't put it past Jim to simply be holding this back in order to provoke speculation, as a red-herring sort of thing).
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